Debates of June 24, 2016 (day 25)

Date
June
24
2016
Session
18th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
25
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Blake, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Ms. Green, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. McNeely, Hon. Alfred Moses, Mr. Nadli, Mr. Nakimayak, Mr. O’Reilly, Hon. Wally Schumann, Hon. Louis Sebert, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Vanthuyne
Statements

Thank you, Mr. O’Reilly. Minister McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, we can look at doing that in the future business plans and future mains. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. O’Reilly.

Thanks, Mr. Chair. That might help cut this discussion short next time around. I had one other question about the $25 million hit that we took in 2014-15 for sites. Is there a list of what those liabilities are? Is Giant Mine amongst that list? Can the Minister and his staff provide a listing of the liability that we assumed in that year? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. O’Reilly. Mr. Kalgutkar.

Speaker: MR. KALGUTKAR

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just got a part of that question. Is the Member just asking for more detail on what that $25 million was? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Kalgutkar. Mr. O’Reilly.

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes. I am wondering if there is a list of the sites, the liabilities, and whether Giant Mine is on that list. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. O’Reilly. Mr. Kalgutkar.

Speaker: MR. KALGUTKAR

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, there is a list. I will commit to providing that to committee fairly soon. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Kalgutkar. Any further questions? Mr. O’Reilly.

Thanks. I look forward to getting the list. That is all I have. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Committee, any further questions to page 161? Operations expenditure summary, office of the comptroller general, activity total, $65,982,000. Are we agreed?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Brings us to page 164. Finance, Liquor Revolving Fund, information item. Any questions? Mr. O’Reilly.

Look, I am not trying to prolong this.

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I see the top that says there is an authorized fund limit of $6.5 million, yet how does that figure into all these numbers here because most of them seem to be over that amount. Can someone help me understand this? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. O’Reilly. Mr. Kalgutkar.

Speaker: MR. KALGUTKAR

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think the Member is right. The authorized limit likely needs to be refreshed a bit. It was established some time ago when it really is supposed to represent the net assets of the fund. The Member is right. It could probably use a bit of refreshing. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Kalgutkar. Mr. O’Reilly.

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Maybe I will just ask the next question a little bit more delicately. Are we breaking the law here in having a bigger amount in the fund than we are supposed to under legislation? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. O’Reilly. Mr. Kalgutkar. To Mr. McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My understanding is we are not breaking the law. I have also been told that if we went under the limit, then that might be an issue. As long as we are over, we are not breaking the law. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Any further questions, committee, to page 164? Mr. Thompson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. One quick question to the Minister. Is this the legislative change that we are required to do to make it more relevant to where we are today? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. We will go to Minister McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Member is correct. That would have to be an amendment to the legislation to change the amount. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Mr. Thompson, any further questions?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just one follow-up on this. Will we be looking at it this year or next year with the legislative change? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We will have a review of our legislative agenda for the next year and see where we can fit this into that if we have other pieces of legislation that we are working on now. Then if it is a quick fix, it is a matter of an amendment, then we will look at that too. I can’t give a definite timeline. I would be just trying to buy more time if I tried to give you a definite timeline. We will have a look and see what is required and how long it would take. We will share that with the Members. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Any further questions, committee, to page 164? Agreed?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Brings us to page 165. Liquor Revolving Fund, active positions, information item. Any questions?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Okay, committee. Brings us to Finance, work performed on behalf of others, information item. Any questions? Agreed?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Brings us to page 137. Finance, department total, $213,904,000. Are we agreed?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Agreed. Thank you, committee. We will now return to the second blue tab in the tabled document titled, “Borrowing Plan for the Government Reporting Entity and Established Borrowing Limits for the Government of the Northwest Territories.” Established limits per 2016-2017 Appropriation Act, $610,340,000. Agreed? Any questions, comments?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. Does the committee agree that you have completed your consideration of the Department of Finance including the proposed borrowing plan of the Government of the Northwest Territories?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Thank you, Minister. Thank you to your witnesses for appearing before us. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses from the Chamber.

Thank you, committee. Does the committee agree that we have concluded consideration of Tabled Document 5018(2)?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Committee Motion 31-18(2): Concurrence of Tabled Document 50-18(2): Main Estimates, 2016-2017

Marci cho, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that consideration of Tabled Document 5018(2), Main Estimates, 20162017 now be concluded and that Tabled Document 5018(2) be reported and recommended as ready for further consideration in formal session through the form of an appropriation bill. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you. The motion is being distributed. The motion is in order and is nondebatable.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.