Debates of October 5, 2023 (day 167)

Date
October
5
2023
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
167
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Mr. Edjericon, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. O’Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Rocky Simpson, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Ms. Weyallon Armstrong
Topics
Statements

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

Carried

Member for Nunakput.

Committee Motion 544-19(2): Committee Report 75-19(2),Report on the Review of the Rules of the Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly, No 2, Point of Privilege No. 5, Carried

Madam Chair, I move that Rule 3.1(5) be amended by deleting "question of privilege" and replacing it with "point of privilege." Thank you, Madam Chair.

The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

Carried

Member for Nunakput.

Committee Motion 545-19(2): Committee Report 75-19(2), Report on the Review of the Rules of the Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly, No 2, Point of Privilege No. 6, Carried

Madam Chair, I move that Rule 3.2(3)(b)(iii) be amended by deleting "question of privilege" and replacing it with "point of privilege." Thank you, Madam Chair.

The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

Carried

Member for Nunakput.

Committee Motion 544-19(2): Committee Report 75-19(2), Report on the Review of the Rules of the Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly, No 2, Point of Privilege No. 7, Carried

Madam Chair, I move that Rule 6.1(2)(f) be amended by deleting "question of privilege" and replacing it with "point of privilege." So much privilege. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

Carried

Thank you, committee. Do you agree that you've concluded consideration of Committee Report 7519(2)?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. We've concluded consideration of Committee Report 7519(2), Report on the Review of the Rules of the Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly, No. 2. Member for Frame Lake.

Merci, Madam la Presidente. I move that the chair rise and report progress. Mahsi.

There's a motion on the floor to report progress. The motion is in order and nondebatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

Carried

I will now rise and report progress. And it might be my last Committee of the Whole chair. So thank you.

Report of Committee of the Whole

Mr. Speaker, your committee was very busy this week, and it's been an honour to chair your committee. Your committee has been considering Bill 80, Tabled Document 97319(2), Tabled Document 97419(2), Committee Report 5219(2), and Committee Report 7519(2). And I would like to report progress with 34 motions carried and that Committee Report 5219(2) and Committee Report 7519(2) are concluded and that Bill 80 is ready for third reading and that consideration of Tabled Document 973 and 974 is concluded and the House concur on those estimates and that AN appropriation bill be based thereon be introduced without delay. And, Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the Committee of the Whole be concurred with. Thank you.

Thank you, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. Do we have a seconder? Member for Frame Lake. All those in favour? All those opposed? Any abstentions? Motion's carried.

Carried

Third Reading of Bills

Bill 65: Builders’ Lien Act, Carried

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the Honourable Member for Yellowknife South that Bill 65, Builders' Lien Act, be read for the third time. And, Mr. Speaker, I request a recorded vote. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. The motion is in order. To the motion. Member for Frame Lake.

Merci, Monsieur le President. I recognize it's very late in the day, but I have to go on record as to how I'm going to vote so I believe that the bill was not particularly well crafted. There was a pause when it was the Minister kind of took it back and went back to Indigenous governments, tried to do some engagement. So I believe that there's really there was inadequate consideration of Indigenous rights in the development of the bill. I'm concerned that the bill doesn't bind the Government of the Northwest Territories, which is the largest contracting authority. What's the point of trying to do a bill that secures wages for contractors and employees if we don't bind this government? That's just wrong in my opinion, Mr. Speaker.

I also am concerned that municipal lands are going to be subject to seizure and sale. I don't think that's appropriate.

So as the Minister said at clause by clause, I prefer that it would actually go back and get redrafted so that it could be done properly. The motion to try to get a considered review of the bill also failed. Cabinet opposed that. So that was an opportunity to try to fix it up after a period of time.

So for all of those reasons, I don't believe this bill is the best that it can and should be to address the needs. And that's why I'm going to vote against it. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. The motion is in order. To the motion. Member for Great Slave.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I echo my colleague's concerns with this bill. There were a lot of things I think that could have been done differently. I have my regrets for how it all progressed in the sense of we did get bogged down on something, but it was an important conversation to be had. I think it worked well as far as back and forth with the Minister and the department. It's just unfortunate for me I also believe that the bill is not where it should be and I will be not supporting the bill; however, I want it to become a priority and something that happens really quickly in the 20th with the prompt payment piece included. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Great Slave. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Recorded Vote

Speaker: Mr. Rutland

The Member for Hay River North. The Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. The Member for Deh Cho. The Member for Hay River South. The Member for Thebacha. The Member for Kam Lake. The Member for Nunakput. The Member for Tu NedheWiilideh. The Member for Monfwi. The Member for Nahendeh. The Member for Yellowknife South. The Member for Sahtu. The Member for Range Lake. The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake. The Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

All those opposed, please rise.

Speaker: Mr. Rutland

The Member for Frame Lake. The Member for Yellowknife North. The Member for Great Slave.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

All those abstaining, please rise.

The results of the recorded vote: 15 in favour, three opposed, zero abstentions. The motion is carried. Bill 65 has had third reading.

Carried

Third reading of bills. Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment.

Bill 84: An Act to Amend the Northwest Territories Business Development and Investment Corporation Act, Carried

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the Honourable Member for Nahendeh, that Bill 84, An Act to Amend the Northwest Territories Business Development and Investment Corporation Act, be read for the third time. And, Mr. Speaker, I request a recorded vote. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. The motion is in order. To the motion. Member for Frame Lake.

Yeah, merci, Monsieur le President. Again, I have to go on record as to why I'm going to vote against this bill. I've said, though, that there's good things in this bill like response to at least three independent reviews that were carried out. That work can and should have been done, quite frankly, years ago. So those are the good parts of the bill. The part that causes me a lot of concern is the name change. And I'm not opposed to the name change in principle. I don't personally think it's a great thing. But I think it's not a good I don't condone a process, Mr. Speaker, where we start off with a public engagement on one thing and then all of a sudden something's added into the bill that hasn't received any public engagement. And that's why there's a subtle distinction there. And I guess it's a principle stand, Mr. Speaker, but I can't condone that kind of process for doing public engagement for a bill, and then all of a sudden something props it just kind of comes up at the end. This is not about trying to meddle in what the board is doing. I want an independent board. But I'm just worried about the process that was used to develop this bill and having this jump out at the end. So that's why I'm going to vote against it. I have supported what BDIC has done. I said good things when they were here. I think they're heading in the right direction. That's all good stuff. I just can't condone the kind of process that led to the bill in the form that's before the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Recorded Vote

Speaker: MS. SATURNINO

The Member for Yellowknife South. The Member for Sahtu. The Member for Range Lake. The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake. The Member for Yellowknife Centre. The Member for Hay River North. The Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. The Member for Nahendeh. The Member for Deh Cho. The Member for Hay River South. The Member for Thebacha. The Member for Kam Lake. The Member for Nunakput. The Member for Yellowknife North. The Member for Tu NedheWiilideh. The Member for Monfwi. The Member for Great Slave.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

All those opposed, please rise.

Speaker: Ms. Saturnino

The Member for Frame Lake.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

All those abstaining, please rise. The results of the recorded vote: 17 in favour. One opposed. Zero abstentions. The motion is carried. Bill 84 has had third reading.

Carried

Third reading of bills. Madam Premier.

Bill 85: United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Implementation Act, Carried