Debates of November 30, 2021 (day 87)

Date
November
30
2021
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
87
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. O'Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Rocky Simpson, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong
Topics
Statements

Thanks, Madam Chair. Can anybody tell me was any work done or is any work going to be done in 2021-2022 with regard to the Frank Channel bridge? Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I don't have the project detail here. Let me see perhaps if Mr. Courtoreille has that available to him.

Thank you. Mr. Courtoreille.

Speaker: MR. COURTOREILLE

Thank you, Madam Chair. After the recommended re-cashflow, there would be $945,000 left in 2021-2022 for that project. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Thanks, Madam Chair. So less than about a million dollars. What's that actually being spent on, may I ask. Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. It's at a stage of design and the initial permitting, Madam Chair. Thank you.

Thank you. Any further questions, comments?

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure and Expenditures), No. 2, Department of Infrastructure, capital investment expenditures, asset management, not previously authorized, negative $44,513,000. Does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 20212022; Department of Infrastructure, capital investment expenditures, energy and strategic initiatives, not previously authorized, $45,274,000. Does committee agree? Member for Frame Lake.

Thanks, Madam Chair. I guess I'll ask the same question here for the Slave Geological Province Corridor. Was any money expended or will any money be expended in the current year, and what is it generally doing? Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. So Madam Chair, that project has always been at a stage of planning and with a view towards getting permitting. So just looking at the number here, I do believe some of that has gotten done and some will continue into the into the next fiscal year. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

Thanks, Madam Chair. So is any money being spent on this in the current year? Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.

[Audio] Madam Chair. Yes, $2.8 million was spent in the current. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Thanks. And then for the Inuvik Wind Project, it seems to be a really round figure of $19 million. Is any money being spent in the current year on that project. Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Let me again just turn to $21.4 million, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Sorry, I guess I'm getting lost. Thanks, Madam Chair. I'm getting lost in the numbers. So I didn't quite catch the number, and if the Minister could also indicate what it's being spent on. Thanks.

Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the I have the background here. Let me turn this to Mr. Courtoreille. He may have the most recent detail on what what's done other the current year, or in the last construction season. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Courtoreille.

Speaker: MR. COURTOREILLE

Thank you, Madam Chair. I understand there's actually components of the wind turbine on site, and the construction of that project is happening this year and being finished in 2022-2023. The majority of the budget is allocated to 2021-2022, and as the Minister mentioned, that's at about $21.5 million. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I was hoping I could just get a little bit more detail on the money being spent on the Slave Geological Province Corridor. I understand we spent $2.8 million this year, and we're moving $6.5 million forward. I get this is do we have an estimate of the total cost to get this planning work done? And I believe some of this is also for the potential environmental review. Can I just get a little bit more detail on what we expect the planning and environmental costs to be. Thank you.

Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, at this point the studies there are studies that are being done, geotechnical, the traditional knowledge studies, there's rooting studies. There's certainly also a fairly significant amount of outreach that needs to occur with Indigenous governments and certainly some visioning in terms of how we'll be structuring relationships going forward on the project. So all of that work is underway. It's just that not all necessarily happening within the current fiscal year and so that's where some of the money that's being allocated is being moved into coming years.

The infrastructure acquisition plan that we've just been reviewing would have also included the Slave Geologic project and would have included the chart showing the upcoming year. So I can pull that out, or I can certainly commit to just pointing out where in that document those details are. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. I understand we got about $40 to spend on this perhaps from the federal government. I can't remember the portion of that money that was ours. I guess I I'm still slightly confused as to the timing of all this and the steps and, you know, I note it's quite easy to just spend a few million dollars on geotechnical for a road that, you know, we need another $750 million to eventually build, at least. And I know we have some lessons to learn from the Mackenzie Valley Highway of being in environmental assessment for a decade or so.

I'm just hoping the Minister could speak to a little when we would expect to actually be putting in permits and I'll start with that. Thank you.

Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the Department of Infrastructure is lead on this. So for that level of detail, I'll turn it over to Minister Archie, please.

Thank you. Minister Archie.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, we are looking at some wildlife studies, engagement planning. In our next capital, we are asking $18.8 million and that's for fiscal year 20222023, and this is partially federal funding, 75cent dollars. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess I'll just ask one more question. Is all this work being done, is it just for phase 1 of the road, is it just the Lockhart Lake, or are we doing environmental assessment and wildlife studies for the potential of the whole project? I'm just trying to get a little more information on how we're approaching the permitting. Thank you.

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. right now the project is as far as Lockhart Lake. Again, I was about to start getting my binder out from the capital estimates. I didn't, I probably should have, but I'll just see if Minister Archie could confirm if my recollection is correct on that, please.

Thank you. Minister of Infrastructure.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the focus is on phase 1; however, we are collecting information broader where possible. Like, wildlife, I mean, there's a lot of work that needs to come into a major project such as this. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. One more, which is probably pushing it. I've recognized there's phase 1 and assuming we get over a billion dollars, we'll eventually build a road to Nunavut, and then assuming we get over a billion dollars they'll meet our road, and then if they get another billion, they'll build a port. Do we have any information on whether there's any progress on the Gray's Bay port side of this project? Thank you.

Thank you, Member. That's really pushing it. And I'm not sure if the Member's Minister of Finance, did you want to entertain the question?

Madam Chair, I mean I'm I'm not going to speak on behalf of the Government of Nunavut. It does so happen that the deputy minister might know something about what was going over there. So in the interest of collaboration, why don't I see if the deputy minister has any information on that.

Deputy Minister MacKay.