Debates of December 1, 2021 (day 88)

Date
December
1
2021
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
88
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. O'Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Rocky Simpson, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong
Topics
Statements
Speaker: MR. MARTIN

Thank you, Madam Chair. As mentioned previously, the Housing Corporation does go through an annual business planning cycle, and as part of that, we do look at the current condition of all our assets each year. So what we do is we go through a prioritization exercise, and we do have good data to help us with this. We do look at the unit condition ratings for each of the units. We take into consideration the age, but we also take into consideration other factors such as direct feedback from, you know, our local housing organizations as well as our district offices in terms of informing our final investment. So it is very much a a group effort in terms of gathering good intel in making those prioritization decisions. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Thebacha.

I don't have any other questions.

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess the first question is you mentioned there was 122 or 102 empty units that are being renovated. Can you tell me how many tenants had to be relocated and from those units. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Madam Chair. For I don't have that level of detail. I'll have President Young respond. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Vicepresident or no, sorry, President Young.

Speaker: MS. YOUNG

Thank you, Madam Chair, and of the 102 units, counted in that would also be, for example, units that we currently have set aside for COVID so there aren't any people being displaced in that case. Or units that we have, for example, renovated after someone's moved out and before someone else moves in. So I would have to go back and get detail on how many of those are actually units where there are tenants who have been moved somewhere else while their unit's being done, but it would not be all of them. It would be quite a lesser amount because most of the time, we try to plan that work so that we displace tenants as little as possible and do it as we can work with the life cycle of or the cycle of the movement of tenants. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'd ask the Minister as well, you know, if we have if tenants have to be relocated, who covers that cost, and are the tenants once the retrofit is done, are the tenants, the original tenants, allowed back in. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member. Minister of Housing Corporation.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have President Young respond. Thank you.

Thank you, President Young.

Speaker: MS. YOUNG

Thank you, Madam Chair. So if there are costs such as disconnection of power, reconnection of power, the Housing Corporation would pick up costs such as that but other you know, other moving costs would be the tenant themselves. The LHO, I believe, would assist where possible but again, looking at each individual's circumstance I'm sorry, I think I missed the rest of the question. Sorry, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

I'll just move on here; I think I kind of got the gist of it there.

I guess the next one is that and I think the Member for Kam Lake alluded to this; I'm not sure if she got the answer. There are 102 units vacant and being renovated. Can you tell me how many units are just sitting empty that are not being renovated? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister of Housing.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have VicePresident Martin respond as I don't you know, all units are not being constructed and renovated all at once, and I'll have him elaborate. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. VicePresident Martin.

Speaker: MR. MARTIN

Okay, thank you, Madam Chair. So so as mentioned, there's 102 units that are under repair, that are vacant at this time.

Thank you. That's it? [Audio] Of all the units that are vacant, you said that there's 102 vacant units before, for Kam Lake, and that they're all been they're all allocated funding to repair but what I think there's a confusion that there's empty units in the Northwest Territories that haven't been fixed that are Housing Corporation that are sitting there not being allocated dollars to repair them. So do you have that number, if I'm is that clear, Member for Hay River South.

There's 102 vacant units being renovated, based on what's in this document. Beyond that, are there units that aren't in this document that are vacant and just sitting there in communities? Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have President Young respond. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Speaker: MS. YOUNG

So thank you, Madam Chair. Of the 102 units, approximately 23 of those units are examples like the COVID units, units where we have completed a project but the units have not yet been occupied. So there's a total of 23 there. The remaining units are units that are either currently under repair or will be under repair and as Jim said, we've either got the money, or we'll be dealing with the budget for that internally and don't need any additional funding to deal with the 102 units that we've identified currently as vacant units. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

I don't I didn't get the answer. So I guess what I'm what I'm going to assume here is that out of the 20 some hundred units that Housing Corporation has, there's only 102 units that are sitting empty right now.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, that is correct.

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

Thank you, Madam Chair. And out of those 102 units, are any of them slated for sale to clients; and if so, how many? Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will have President Young respond. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. President Young.

Speaker: MS. YOUNG

Thank you, Madam Chair. So, yes, in addition to the 102, there are 71 units that are either slated for sale or to be assessed whether sale or demolition is the appropriate option. So that is in addition to the hundred units that we are repairing or planning to occupy. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

Thank you, Madam Chair. So it's interesting to hear that you might sell them or you might tear them down so it's I'm not sure what kind of shape they're in. And I guess that kind of leads up to my my next question here, is of those units, of the stock that we have, how many are deemed beyond repair and yeah, how many are deemed beyond repair as of today? Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will have VicePresident Martin respond. Thank you.

Thank you. VicePresident Martin.

Speaker: MR. MARTIN

Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. It's approximately half and half in that number that's identified as for sale and for demo. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

Thank you, Madam Chair. And the units that are deemed unrepairable, is there a dollar value that you look at to ascertain, I guess, whether they are beyond repair? What's the criteria and how do you how do you come at that arrive at that? Thank you.

Oh thank you, Madam Chair. There is a term for it. I'll have VicePresident Martin answer the question. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. VicePresident Martin.

Speaker: MR. MARTIN

Thank you, Madam Chair. So when we do assess the condition of the unit, we do take into consideration the level of investment that would be required to bring that unit back into service, and typically if it our guideline essentially is if it would cost us more than 70 percent of replacement value to renovate that units, then we would be looking at replacing and surplusing that unit. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.