Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess the next question is the ones that will be sold to or the ones that are that you said were either going to be deemed not the ones that couldn't be occupied and were going to be deemed, I guess, slated for demolition but then at the same time you said that possibly that same unit, it may be sold off. So if you're going to sell a unit that's, you know, borderline, do you also look at doing repairs to that unit prior to selling it to a client? Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Member. Minister.
Thank you, Madam Chair. If this becomes an interest of I'm just going to use the example, if this is an interest of the Indigenous groups and it came forward and there's six units that they are interested in, then I would like to enter into some kind of agreement. If there's a possibility that they are able to take over these units, they want to take the hundred percent full responsibility. As a corporation, I would like to introduce them over to the federal funding that we do have and also support them through that process. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Member for Hay River South.
Thank you, Madam Chair. How does I guess the concerns such as asbestos and mould play into deeming the facility or the unit unusable? Thank you.
Thank you, Member. Minister of Housing Corporation.
Thank you, Madam Chair. There's an extensive assessment that is done prior to any of the units being transferred over to, whether it be another government or an individual or for sale. I'll have vice VicePresident Martin elaborate on the response. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Mr. Martin.
Thank you, Madam Chair. When we do sell units, we ensure that it there's full disclosure of any hazardous materials to any interested buyer. So we make sure that that disclosure is there. If there is any apparent, you know, hazardous material, you know, we would certainly deal with that. But primarily, it's if you have a situation where where that material is undisturbed and it's safe for occupancy, then we would we would disclose the potential existence of asbestos depending on the age of the unit. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Member for Hay River South.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Is there any point where you would when you deem the unit unusable or if you did sell it, would you just look at selling the unit itself and keeping the land? Has that been done in the past? Thank you.
Thank you. Minister of Housing Corporation.
Madam Chair, yes.
Thank you. Member.
Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to get back to the ratings, I guess the criteria used to to deem the unit that it should be tore down. Can you tell me yeah, give me some idea of what that criteria is. Thank you.
Thank you. Minister, would you commitment to providing that information to the Member, and we'll move on. Member for Nunakput.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Some of the we thank you for the 17 units that I have going into my communities, and the retrofits for Sachs Harbour and Tuktoyaktuk and Ulu, Ulukhaktok, but where's Paulatuk in this? I really am having a tough time because with the community of Paulatuk I have 18 people on the waiting list, and we have 18 on the waiting list. I have five more that were taken off because of CERB. One was put back on. So I got still four more people trying to get their CERB so they could get back on the list, and that's going to be almost 25 people waiting in Paulatuk. And some of the units my riding has, you know, the Weber units built in the 1960s and '70s. We do have some newer units in the community but the units that we're they are looking at renovating, they're long past due in the mould. And it's unsafe because, like right now I have an Elder that the Minister met when we were on tour, and that's her that was her problem, she got sick because of mould, and it wasn't good.
I have a lot of young families in the community. Again, like I told in our thing that we have a family I'll take like, a young family, I'll take a room. You got a fourbedroom, you got four little miniature families and you got mom and dad sleeping on the couch. That's not right. I get six percent of the total budget in my riding for Nunakput, and that's probably about one or one percent of housing out of this whole budget. It's you know, it's almost time, like you the stresses that it's put on families during COVID19 times, the stress is it's not healthy. Mental health is out the door, and the stress on the whole community, on leadership, and it just it's really it's critical. We're in a position where we we have to get more retrofits coming into the community. So can the Minister tell me where's Paulatuk on this list for retrofits coming this summer? Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Minister of Housing Corporation.
Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm just trying to add here really quickly. We don't have any repairs for Paulatuk. We just have I have here listed 15 17 repairs in Nunakput. But I also have just a second, I just want to make sure I get these right so I don't misinterpret. Four, eight ten units going into Nunakput, and those are going to be the communities, two for Ulu, four for Tuk, and four for Paulatuk. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Member for Nunakput.
Thank you, Madam Chair, we heard it here first. That's good news. I'm thankful for that. It's anything helps. And I think where we're where we're at, I guess, with the with everything that's going on with the COVID19 and with the I worry about my riding in regards to mental health and stuff like that. It's really making tough situations for families. I got people living in tent frames. Just like the Member from Behchoko. So I'm really I'm at a kind of a loss. That's why I went and I got I have I hired a firm to do a housing strategy for my riding, a tenyear housing strategy, trying to do it on our own with the federal government with CIRNAC to try to get funding to work with our our government to try to provide houses for the people I represent. And I always want to like, I talked about this before but now we're right at the two yard line, basically to kick it over, is to bring private business in to build the units. And will the Minister or the government be willing to put 25 – 25 percent down on units? They'll come and they'll build them in the longterm lease on it, as long as it was all aboveboard and with all the contracts and stuff, because these are companies from down south. We don't have market housing in my riding, nothing. Everything is people even living in smokehouses. Not right. So I want to know if will the Minister and our government be willing to work together for getting the housing strategy for Nunakput and getting private companies to come in and do the work on their behalf to get those houses in there sooner? Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Member. Minister of Housing Corporation.
Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you to the Member, and I'm very passionate and I did go into his riding this this year, and, you know, I was able to see firsthand the housing conditions in his riding. I just wanted to say that, you know, Paulatuk was the second in the territory to complete their housing plan. I would like to work with your riding and with the leadership as well too and really look at those federal applications going forward. You know, we did the government did commit 5 million over three years to have those applications completed and to acquire some of that federal money. So I'd like to put that commitment forward to the to the Member, to work with his leadership and with himself. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.
That's all. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.
Thanks, Madam Chair. And thanks to the MLA from Nunakput for giving me his time.
I'm trying to reconcile that the news release that went out a couple days ago from Housing Corp that says there's an extra $93 million for a number of units versus what I'm looking at here in the capital estimates. So I guess this $93 million is federal money, or a good part of it is. Why is it not shown here as a federal contribution; why is this kind of like off the books somehow. You know, we get other federal money and it's showed as money in and then money expended, but it doesn't look this way for the Housing Corp so maybe someone can explain that to me. Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Member. Minister of Housing Corporation.
Thank you, Madam Chair. I will have President Young elaborate on that response. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. President Young.
Thank you, Madam Chair. And I do believe, and VicePresident Martin may correct me, that it does have do with the corporate structure and the way that we do accounting for federal contributions, third party contributions like that, and they're recorded under fund 3 instead of fund 2 for capital, I believe. But if possible, if I could defer to VicePresident Martin who is the financial expert on the way that this accounting is done. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Mr. Martin.
Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. So as mentioned, we have $50.5 million of federal dollars supporting our $93, $94 million of capital delivery this year. We've received $25.5 million of that in March 2021, right at the end of the fiscal year last year, which was reflected in our carryovers, that carryover number that we referred to earlier, right at the end of the year.
So the Housing Corporation, we obviously prepare our annual audited financial statements each year, and that was recognized as revenue in 2021. It's still part of our capital delivery, though. It's in our work in progress, and we're delivering those projects this year into next year.
We also received an additional $25 million. We just finalized that agreement in August this year. And that funding is going to be recognized as revenue in the Housing Corp this year for in our audited financial statements. And that $50.5 million right now is assigned to capital projects that will be fully delivered by 20232024. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Member for Kam Lake or Frame Lake.
Thanks, Madam Chair. Yeah, if I thought I was confused before about the Housing Corporation, that one really any ways, look, you guys got to find a different way to present this stuff; sorry. If it takes a schedule or a note or something, you got to find a better way to present the financial information 'cause I think I think it would benefit yourselves. You might get fewer questions in Committee of the Whole. You might get fewer Member's statements on the floor, oral questions for your Minister. You guys got to find a better way to present this. Sorry. And with all due respect, I know I'm supposed to be addressing you, Madam Chair, but I think it would be much more helpful if the Housing Corp could find a much better way to present this than what I see here.
And I'm just going to go on to the next item. I think I heard that there's a 20year some sort of 20year assessment or capital plan that the Housing Corp has developed. Can we please get a copy of that? And I guess that's a question for the Minister. Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Minister of Housing Corporation.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I can provide that to the Member. Thank you.
Thank you. Min Member for Frame Lake.
If you want to call me a Minister, I'll take it. Thanks, Madam Chair.
The so next question, is there any calculation of, like, deferred maintenance for the Housing Corp, and what is that figure and what does it mean? Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Member. Minister.
Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have VicePresident Martin respond. Thank you.
Thank you. VicePresident Martin.
Thank you, Madam Chair. The deferred maintenance figure is in reference to that infrastructure deficit figure that we alluded to earlier, which takes into account the investment needed to complete scheduled M and I major renovations over the next 20year outlook. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.
Thanks, Madam Chair. So what is that amount, please? Thank you.
Thank you. Minister.
Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have VicePresident Martin respond. Thank you.
Thank you. VicePresident Martin.
That figure could potentially be up to $1 billion. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you, VicePresident Martin. Member for Frame Lake.
