The results of the recorded vote: 17 in favour, zero opposed, zero abstentions. The motion is carried.
Carried
Motions. Notices of motion for the first reading of bills. First reading of bills. Second reading of bills. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters, Bill 23, 29, and 40, Committee Report 301(2), Tabled Document 65719(2), Tabled Document 65819(2), with Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes in the chair.
I now call Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of committee? Member for Frame Lake.
Merci, Madame le President. Committee wishes to consider Tabled Document 65819(2) and Tabled Document 65719(2). Mahsi.
Thank you. Does committee agree?
Agreed.
Thank you, committee. We will take a short recess.
SHORT RECESS
I will now call committee back to order.
Committee, we've agreed to consider Tabled Document 65819(2), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 20222023. Does the Minister have any opening remarks?
Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I am happy to present Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 20222023. These Supplementary Estimates propose a total increase of $56.956 million, $32.7 million of which will be offset by revenues from the Government of Canada. Notable items which are partially or fully offset by federal funding include the following:
$9.4 million to support early learning and child care in the Northwest Territories;
$7.1 million for activities associated with the Low Carbon Economy Leadership Fund;
$5.5 million to continue the transformation of Aurora College to a polytechnic university;
$2.2 million to support the provision of education programs under the CanadaNorthwest Territories Agreement on minority language education and second official language instruction 20192020 to 20222023; and.
$2.1 million in support of the northern aviation industry.
In addition, these supplementary estimates include the following items which are not offset by federal funding programs:
$12.9 million to continue to support flood recovery efforts across the Northwest Territories;
$6.2 million to support core housing needs and emergency shelters in the Northwest Territories;
$5.6 million to support our healthcare system as we transition to the endemic phase of COVID19;
a reduction of $2.3 million to contract services; and
$1.8 million to enhance the capacity of the Emergency Management Organization.
That concludes my opening remarks, Madam Chair. I would be happy to answer any questions.
Thank you, Minister. We have agreed to begin with general comments. Does the Minister of Finance wish to bring witnesses into the House?
Yes, please, Madam Chair.
Thank you. SergeantatArms, please escort the witnesses to the Chamber.
Minister, please introduce your witnesses.
Madam Chair, thank you. I have deputy minister of Finance Bill MacKay on my left and Terence Courtoreille, the deputy secretary to the Financial Management Board on my right.
Thank you. I will now open the floor to general comments. Member for Frame Lake.
Yes, thanks, Madam Chair. Yes, I have some questions about what's in here and also something that's not in here.
So I'd like to start by acknowledging that the Minister has carried through with her commitments, as I fully expected, in terms of some increased spending that we had negotiated as part of the budget discussions earlier this year. There is extra money in here for housing, $4 million; $2.2 million for shelter funding; an increase of half a million dollars for heritage centres; there's some reductions in contracted services, but the area that's not covered in the supplementary appropriation is the increased revenues from a tobacco tax increase.
So can the Minister tell us why that's not included in the supplementary appropriation. I'll start with that. Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, it does require a regulatory change and so that is being worked on at present. And we are expecting that those regulations should be implemented by August the 1st. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.
Okay, thanks, Madam Chair, and thanks to the Minister for that. So we passed the budget on and received assent I think on March 31st, so April, May, June, July, August five months. Is there no way that we can do this a little bit quicker next time? Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Minister of Finance.
Thank you, Madam Chair. So Madam Chair, these things do take a bit of time. I mean, the commitment was made at the time of budgeting but then, you know, it does have to get the drafting has to get put through the Department of Justice, as well as ourselves, and in this case, there is an element where we rely on Manitoba for the it's not quite a sticker, Madam Chair, but essentially it's something to that effect. So there's just a few steps to be taken. We knew it wouldn't be immediate.
And Madam Chair, I'm having trouble hearing but I gather there was a question as well with respect to needing to bring back a further sup to appropriate revenue. We don't need to appropriate the revenue. It would come in by way of it being revenue. Thank you.
Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.
Yes, okay, thanks, Madam Chair, and thanks to the Minister. I'm sure I don't have to remind her that every day we wait for the tobacco tax increases, money that's not captured, but.
I want to move on to the supplementary reserve. Can someone tell me what that was originally set at and where it will stand as a result of this set of supplementary estimates. Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.
Thank you, Madam Chair. So Madam Chair, this year we had set aside not set aside but had created a supplementary reserve of $35 million. We are down to 10.754 after this.
Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.
Yes, thanks, Madam Chair. So this is the first of a supplementary appropriation for the current fiscal year, and I expect that there's probably going to be at least two, maybe three more. What happens when we exceed that reserve amount and what does it mean? Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Minister of Finance.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, it's an excellent question. I'm happy to answer it although the news isn't necessarily good.
If we exceed the supplementary reserve, essentially what we are likely to be doing is any projected surplus would likely get dipped into in a sense. So if there was a projected surplus and we run out of supplementary needs and we continue to have more needs, then we're likely eating into that projected surplus. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.
Thanks, Madam Chair, and as we eat into the supplementary reserve, that means that there's less money for capital projects, the capital budget, which we're going to get to, moving forward as a result of the fiscal responsibility policies; is that correct? Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.
Thank you, Madam Chair. So yes, you'll recall the Fiscal Responsibility Policy requires that 50 percent of our capital budget is funded through supplementary or from operations surpluses. So yes, if there's less surplus available, then there'd be less money to spend in compliance with that policy. Thank you.
Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.
Thanks, Madam Chair. So moving forward, would we expect, then, to have an increased supplementary reserve? You know, I also note that inflation is running nationally at 6.7 percent. Here in Yellowknife, 7.1 percent April to April. So is this something that we would want to do moving forward, is looking at increasing the supplementary reserve so that we don't end up eating into other surpluses or, God forbid, go into shortterm debt? Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Minister of Finance.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, you might recall that during COVID, we actually had increased the supplementary reserve to I believe it was $60 million. So that certainly is there is an option to increase. We kept it at 35, which is higher than it traditionally had been, and it may well be that for Budget 2023 we want to look at moving back up again. So again, certainly under consideration. As I say, that's a number that has moved around during COVID. So thank you, I appreciate the idea. Thank you.
Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.
Thanks, Madam Chair. That's all I've got in terms of general comments and questions. I'll have some more specific ones once we get to the detail. Thanks, Madam Chair.
Thank you. General comments?
Seeing no further general comments, we'll proceed to a review of the supplementary estimates by department and activity.
Committee, please turn to page 4 of the tabled document. Legislative Assembly.
Legislative Assembly, Office of the Clerk, not previously authorized, $55,000. Does committee agree?
Agreed.
Thank you, committee.
Legislative Assembly, total department, operation expenditures, not previously authorized, $55,000. Does committee agree?
Agreed.
Thank you. Committee please turn to page 5 and 6 of the tabled document. Department of Education, Culture and Employment.
Education, Culture and Employment, corporate management, not previously authorized, negative $12,000. Does committee agree?
Agreed.
Thank you. Education, Culture and Employment, culture heritage and language, not previously authorized, $340,000. Does committee agree?
Agreed.
Thank you. Education, Culture and Employment, early learning and child care, not previously authorized, $9,336,000. Does committee agree?
