Debates of November 1, 2022 (day 130)

Date
November
1
2022
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
130
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. O’Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Rocky Simpson, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong.
Topics
Statements
Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Range Lake.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'd like to recognize Jennifer Wicks who is a constituent of Range Lake. Welcome to the House.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Great Slave.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would also like to welcome and congratulate Arctic Energy Alliance. I guess nobody probably told you that you get lots of acknowledgement when you show up in the gallery. I specifically would also like to acknowledge my constituents Abdul Mohammed and Kevin Cull who are here from Great Slave. Thank you very much.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Yellowknife South.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, we are a very interconnected little community here in Yellowknife. And so also present from Arctic Energy Alliance are Marta Goodwin and also Mike Goodwin. And, Madam Speaker, deputy minister Loutitt also happens to be a resident of Yellowknife South when he's not acting in his deputy minister role, as is Emmy Loutitt. I welcome all of you to the gallery. Thank you.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Monfwi.

Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to acknowledge and welcome Leon Apple, originally from Gameti, and he currently lives in Yellowknife. And I would like to welcome the Arctic Alliance as well. Thank you.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Kam Lake.

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. While we're giving all the love right above me here, the Arctic Energy Alliance, I'd love to direct some above Cabinet over there. We also have in the House with us this evening or sorry, this afternoon, Avery Parle, who is the vicepresident of the Northern Territories Federation of Labour. So welcome.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Last but not least Yellowknife North constituent Linda Todd, everyone. Thank you.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Well, if we haven't forgotten everyone, so welcome. If we have missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the chamber, and I hope you're enjoying the proceedings. It's always nice to have an audience in here. We haven't had one for a long time. I think this is the biggest we've seen since the day when cabinet was elected. Welcome.

Committee Report 37-19(2): Report on the Review of the 2022 Audit of Addictions Prevention and Recovery Services

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It's going to be another long one today. Madam Speaker, Your Standing Committee on Government Operations is pleased to provide its Report on the Review of the 2022 Audit of Addictions Prevention and Recovery Services and commends it to the House.

On May 31, 2022, the Speaker tabled an audit report entitled Addictions Prevention and Recovery Services in the Northwest Territories. This performance audit was conducted by the Auditor General of Canada, who is also the Auditor General for the Northwest Territories.

The performance audit looked at whether the Department of Health and Social Services, the Northwest Territories Health and Social Services Authority, the Hay River Health and Social Services Authority, and the Tlicho Community Services Agency provided addictions services to meet the needs of Northerners. This audit matters because the NWT has a high rate of substance use and addictions have widespread impacts on the lives of individuals, families, and community members.

The audit found that the department and the three health authorities:

Had not figured out how to achieve equitable access to addictions services;

Did not do enough to ensure addictions services were culturally safe for Indigenous residents;

Provided only limited aftercare services;

Had gaps in coordinating addictions services; and

Did not do enough to collect and analyze data to know whether their addictions services were effective in helping residents achieve their desired outcomes.

The audit made seven recommendations to improve addictions services. The department and health authorities accepted all seven recommendations. In response, they developed the Addictions Prevention and Recovery Services Workplan. The workplan highlights new actions the department and health authorities are taking to address the audit recommendations.

Committee is responsible for reviewing the audit and the department’s response. The review ensures that government is accountable to correct deficiencies, implement recommendations, and execute policies and programs in line with the Legislative Assembly’s intentions.

On October 6, 2022, committee held a public hearing on the report. Officials at the Office of the Auditor General and the department briefed committee. They explained key audit findings and the department’s workplan.

In response, committee developed thirteen (13) recommendations. Our recommendations reinforce accountability and request additional actions to improve programs and services that help Northerners avoid and heal from addictions. If implemented, these recommendations will:

Provide immediate supports to young men;

Ensure healthcare services are culturally safe;

Secure federal support to set up healing centres in the NWT; and

Strengthen the followup process.

Committee is pleased to submit these recommendations and looks forward to their implementation.

On October 3, 2022, the chief coroner took the unprecedented step of releasing data earlier than usual on suicide deaths. The data points to a health crisis: In the first nine months of 2022, 18 Northerners died of suicide, more than in any full year in the last two decades.

In releasing these statistics early, the the chief coroner hoped to spur the government to respond. Indeed, the Minister of Health and Social Services has indicated that "a wholeofgovernment response is needed."

Committee also sought to respond to the chief coroner's report in the context of this audit review. The chief coroner's report includes a statistic that potentially connects suicide deaths to addictions services – that is, the number of suicide deaths with alcohol as a contributing factor.

To get a better understanding, committee examined more than twenty years of data on suicide deaths. Committee found that.

Since 2001, 212 Northerners have died by suicide

Alcohol was a contributing factor in over one in every two deaths, 112 in total.

Males under age 40 made up over one in every two deaths, 114 in total.

The age profile of the NWT's suicide deaths is younger than Canada’s. Here, men in their twenties and thirties are most likely to die of suicide. Across Canada, men in their forties and fifties are most atrisk.

These statistics, and the loss of life that they quantify, are deeply upsetting. Each life lost is a tragedy that extends to families, friends, and communities.

The link between many suicide deaths and alcohol points to the urgency of the audit’s focus: to provide addictions prevention and recovery services that meet the needs of Northerners.

The department’s workplan commits to promising plans to improve addictions services. But many planned activities, even if implemented successfully and to the full, have timelines of a year or more. Processdriven activities, such as revising hiring practices by the end of 202324, will take longer still to influence service quality.

While committee supports all the department’s planned activities and understands this work takes time, committee wants to see actions with immediate impacts. Incorporating these immediate actions into the work plan would enhance its relevance, effectiveness, and credibility. Committee’s recommendations for immediate actions focus on the demographic group most atrisk of living with suicidal thoughts or behaviour: young men.

I will now turn it over to the MLA for Thebacha. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you, Member. Member for Thebacha.

The On the Land Healing Fund helps Indigenous governments and organizations provide landbased addictions treatment, including aftercare programming.

However, the Auditor heard from some Indigenous groups that administrative requirements make accessing the fund difficult. In both 20192020 and 20202021, the department failed to distribute $500,000 to $600,000, almost one third of the fund’s $1.8 million budget. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services review and relax administrative requirements to access the On the Land Healing Fund, with a view to ensuring full uptake of budgeted funds in 20222023, and report on whether the funds were dispersed.

More generally, the GNWT should ensure that all budgeted dollars that support men’s wellness are spent each year. Effective programs should receive increased support. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Government of the Northwest Territories increase funding for grants and contribution programs that target men’s wellness.

In October 2022, the Meadow Lake Tribal Council in Saskatchewan hosted a men’s wellness conference. The conference discussed the root causes of issues facing some Indigenous men and solutions for change. Over 200 men participated.

Media reporting of the conference includes testimonies that highlight numerous positive outcomes. Participants opened up, shared painful experiences, gained emotional understanding, used humour to balance heavy talks, and recognized that they were not alone. Organizers hoped the men would bring lessons and renewed hope back home, launching their own groups to support healing and change.

Committee wants to see a similar conference in the NWT and believes it could be organized within six months. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services, in consultation with Indigenous governments, and by the spring 2023, sponsor a men’s wellness conference. The conference should focus on hearing, learning, and sharing about the root causes of issues facing some men, such as racism, trauma, isolation, violence, and addictions.

The department’s work plan is broken down into seven priority areas, corresponding to the Auditor’s seven recommendations. Considering that suicide deaths occur disproportionately among young men, committee wants to see an eighth priority focused on people aged 29 years and under.

This new priority area should bring together relevant activities focused on young people from the rest of the work plan into one spot. Potential examples include:

Equitable access to addictions services for youth in child and family services;

Disaggregating data on young people; and

Reviewing job descriptions to hire more Indigenous graduates as youth counsellors.

This youth priority area should also add two new commitments. The second commitment, on sports and recreation, requires the collaboration of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. The Minister of MACA has said that sport and recreation programming is important, especially to youth, for its health and social benefits, including mental wellness. Committee agrees, but is unclear whether MACA sees its role in mental health promotion in collaboration with other GNWT departments and agencies. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services, in collaboration with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, add an eighth priority to the Addictions Prevention and Recovery Work Plan focusing on people aged 29 and under. This priority area should include clear commitments and performance measures to:

Increase access to and uptake in counselling and healing supports; and

Increase youth participation in sports and recreation, including measures to improve access to facilities and programming.

The Auditor’s definition of cultural safety was "an outcome where Indigenous people feel safe, respected, and free from racism and discrimination when accessing health and social services programs." Cultural safety is important to remove barriers to accessing services and make it more likely these services will meet Indigenous clients' needs.

A key challenge to ensuring cultural safety is effective measurement. Measurement is important because programs intended to boost diversity, equity, and inclusion, can have varying levels of effectiveness and must be assessed with evidence. But since cultural safety is an outcome inherent to the Indigenous client, departmental reviews of standards and policies is not enough to ensure cultural safety. Insight from Indigenous clients is required. Committee encourages the department to set a goal toward defining how culturally safe outcomes are measured. This work should be done in collaboration with the NTHSSA Leadership Council. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services implement. An approach to measure whether users and nonusers of the Government of the Northwest Territories addictions services find those services to be culturally safe and provide a timeline for implementation.

I will now turn the document over to the MLA for Kam Lake.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you, Member. Member for Kam Lake.

Thank you, Madam Speaker.

The importance of cultural safety extends beyond addictions services. Committee wants to see work to understand, enhance, and measure cultural safety applied to other areas at the health authorities and in the GNWT. The department should outline how it will build on its most recent cultural safety action plan, Caring for Our People, in the months and years ahead. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Government of the Northwest Territories conduct a wholeofgovernment review of cultural safety in all standards and policies associated with GNWT programs and services and provide a timeline for implementation. This review should identify barriers to cultural safety to inform efforts to remove or reduce identified barriers.

The work plan aims to revise hiring practices for addictions positions that formally recognized the value of Indigenous qualifications by 20232024 fourth quarter. Members believe this work should be completed sooner.

Work on job descriptions and hiring practices should have already been underway before the work plan was developed. The Department of Finance’s Indigenous Recruitment and Retention Action Plan contains five action items to increase Indigenous representation at all departments and agencies, including at the health authorities. That plan was launched almost one year ago, in November 2021. The department and health authorities should collaborate with the Department of Finance to expedite this work plan commitment. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services and health and social services authorities, in collaboration with the Department of Finance, prioritize their commitment to revise hiring practices for addictions positions to recognize the value of Indigenous qualifications. Committee further recommends the timeline for this work to be moved up by six months, to the second quarter of 20232024.

While the work plan commits to revising the hiring process to recognize the value of Indigenous qualifications, it does not explicitly extend that logic beyond the hiring phase and specifically to standards of practice. Western medical standards create barriers to cultural safety for Indigenous residents. They make it harder for Indigenous people to gain accreditations to become healthcare providers within the system. They also distort the measurement of outcomes. Indigenous people lead different lives than nonIndigenous people. The desired healthcare outcomes for Indigenous people do not always match those defined by Western standards.

Indigenous standards of practice are also a matter of rights. Article 24.1 of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples declare that "Indigenous peoples have the right to their traditional medicines and to maintain their health practices." Committee therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services and health and social services authorities review and adjust standards of practice to recognize the value of Indigenous knowledge and provide a timeline for implementation.

To complement the work plan's topdown, holistic approach, committee proposes a bottomup mechanism for healthcare staff to identify improvements. This will empower frontline staff to develop, implement, and communicate creative solutions in real time while the larger policy approach is in development.

Committee is not aware of any such mechanism, available systemwide, to drive bottomup change. Frontline workers have an important perspective on the challenges in service delivery. They may be able to propose outofthebox solutions not conceived elsewhere. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services and health and social services authorities set up a distinct method for frontline staff to identify barriers to care and cultural safety or propose better practices and policies on an ongoing basis and provide a timeline for implementation.

A key concern for committee is overcoming barriers to risk at each individual who does not access addictions services. The Auditor highlighted the need to gather data from individuals who are not service users. Committee believes the work plan can go farther to reach atrisk individuals and therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services collect and analyze data from residents who do not use GNWT addictions prevention and recovery services, to identify creative ways to remove barriers and make services more culturally safe and provide a timeline for implementation.

Members have heard repeated cries for one or more interritory healing centres. Right now, Northerners who want to access facilitybased addictions treatments must leave the NWT to receive this service. Neither the audit nor the work plan provide a determination on whether the NWT should set up interritory healing centres. The auditor noted that the lack of interritory facilities could create barriers for some clients, including those concerned that southern treatment may not reflect their culture. However, the auditor stopped short of recommending a healing centre. The work plan is silent on the matter.

By contrast, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s Call to Action No. 21 is quite clear. It states: "We call upon the federal government to provide sustainable funding for existing and new aboriginal healing centres to address the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual harms caused by residential schools, and to ensure that the funding of healing centres in Nunavut and the Northwest Territories is a priority."

The federal government recently made good on this Call to Action for Nunavut. Canada is providing nearly $50 million to support up to 75 percent of the construction costs for the Nunavut Recovery Centre. Nunavut’s centre will be based on Inuit cultural practices and provide a range of treatment and healing interventions. Canada will also provide $10 million in ongoing annual operating support.

Between Call to Action No. 21 and Nunavut’s recent precedent, committee believes it's time for the GNWT to secure federal support for one or more healing centres in the territory. This should include immediate access to detox centres in each region. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Government of the Northwest Territories, in collaboration with Indigenous governments, pursue federal funding to help set up healing centres in the Northwest Territories.

Committee wants to ensure that the department demonstrates its progress towards achieving the work plan's expected results. One potential risk, in this regard, lies in the lack of disclosure on performance measures. The work plan that the department presented at the October 6th public briefing contained activity measures to describe what work would be done. The work plan also included highlevel statements on expected results. But missing were specific performance results that are easily measurable.

Committee is aware that the auditor required the department to comply with word count limits. More detailed aspects of the work plan, like performance measures, may not have fit within the publishing constraints. Committee wants to see performance measures and regular public reporting on progress towards associated targets. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services present performance measures for each activity in the Addictions Prevention and Recovery Work Plan and provide a timeline for implementation. The department should report on progress with:

A webbased tracker, similar to ECE’s Action Plan to Improve Student Outcomes Progress Tracker, on a quarterly basis; and

A public briefing at committee, in spring or summer 2023 before the 19th Assembly ends.

Madam Speaker, I would like to pass the final reading of this report back to the MLA for Yellowknife North. Thank you.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you, Member. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Committee’s recommendations aim to reinforce existing commitments in the work plan and initiate additional actions to enhance addictions prevention and recovery services.

Committee wants to see the department respond more substantially than with a standard tabled response and sooner than in 120 days. Committee therefore recommends:

That the Department of Health and Social Services make changes to its Addictions Prevention and Recovery Work Plan, as soon as possible, to reflect the recommendations contained in this committee report

This concludes the Standing Committee on Government Operations' Report on the Review of the 2022 Audit of Addictions Prevention and Recovery Services. Committee looks forward to the government’s response to these recommendations.

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories provide a response to this report within 120 days.

Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Reports of standing and special committees. Member for Yellowknife North.

Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Thebacha, that the Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2022 Audit of Addictions, Prevention and Recovery Services in the Northwest Territories be received by the Assembly and moved into committee for further consideration. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Member for Yellowknife North.

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 9.4(4), and ask that Committee Report 3719(2), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report of the Review of the 2022 Audit of Addictions Prevention and Recovery Services in the Northwest Territories, be referred directly to Committee of the Whole for consideration later today. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Sorry, we have to go back to the unanimous consent of thank you. So the motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

DEPUTY SPEAKER:

Carried

Reports of standing and special committees. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm seeking unanimous consent, again to waive Rule 9.4(4), so that this Committee Report 3719(2) can be referred directly to Committee of the Whole for consideration later today. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you. The Member is seeking unanimous consent to waive Rule 9.4 (4) and have Committee Report 3719(2) referred directly to Committee of the Whole for consideration later today. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Committee Report 3719 (2) will be referred directly to the Committee of the Whole for consideration later today.

Oral Questions

Question 1272-19(2): Seniors’ Housing

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Our NWT's senior population is ever increasing. Just to maintain a home, it's becoming an issue for many seniors. Winter is especially difficult for many. General home maintenance is difficult to maintain and is very costly. Accessibility and comfort is an issue. Seniors need barrierfree access. Madam Speaker, seniors want to know they are a priority to this government. Can the Minister responsible for Housing NWT inform this House how her department is actively addressing housing needs for an increasing number of NWT seniors? Thank you.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you. Minister of NWT Housing.

Thank you, Madam Speaker, and thank you to the Member for his question. Housing NWT is a part of the interdepartmental mandate efforts to enable seniors to age in place with dignity by increasing supports for seniors to stay in their homes and communities and that this has also played a part in the Housing NWT's strategic renewal efforts. Housing NWT continues to administer over 370 public housing units for seniors across the territory. Housing NWT's designs continue to reflect the needs of our seniors. For example, as part of our current federal costshared new public housing unit delivery, Housing NWT is delivering an innovative two storey duplex that can accommodate seniors accessibility needs on the first floor. As part of the 100 new public housing unit delivery, Housing NWT is delivering ten accessible seniors units that will be allocated to all five regions of the Northwest Territories. These units will be designed in a way that seniors can age in place in their home and have their accessibility needs addressed. Housing NWT continues to support a suite of homeownership programs tailored to the needs of the seniors, such as the Seniors Aging in Place Program. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. And I thank the Minister for that response. Madam Speaker, can the Minister tell me has the technical assessment of the Riverview Lodge in Hay River been completed, and if not, where is it in the process that the Minister previously indicated was underway? Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Speaker, and thank you to the Member for the question and the statement as well too. Housing NWT has undertaken a technical assessment of the Riverview Lodge in Hay River. The findings of this report indicate that overall the building is in good condition. The report includes a range of recommended capital upgrades to extend the building's operation life for over another for another ten years. Housing NWT continues to maintain the building and closely monitors its condition. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That's interesting with the findings there and, you know, when I've had the opportunity to go in the building, you know, I might have a difference of opinion. But anyways, Madam Speaker, can the Minister tell those seniors in Hay River whether their planning for a new seniors multiresidential facility has been completed or at least started with an estimated timeframe. Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The seniors housing needs continue to be a discussion with the community as part of the development of the Hay River's community housing plan. Preliminary planning for the replacement of Riverview Lodge is underway, including possible funding sources. Detailed plans for the replacement of the building will involve close community engagement with leadership, the Hay River Senior's Society, and stakeholders. A range of factors will be considered in the process, such as proximity and local amenities. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you. Final supplementary. Member for Hay River South.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Can the Minister tell me in the decommissioning of Riverview Lodge in ten years, has consideration been given to include planning for a new facility on that site? I think the location of it is important because it is downtown, and seniors like the location. It allows them to get out and walk and visit and also to use the amenities that the downtown core provides. Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm happy to say that Housing is considering this area for future development. We do have plans that are on the way. Right now it is a discussion within the department, and I will keep the Member informed as we progress with the new seniors’ complex. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you. Oral questions. Member for Nunakput.

Question 1273-19(2): Heating Costs

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My Member's statement was the GNWT presented legislation to increase carbon tax last week. Legislation will remove carbon tax rebate for home heating fuel, change increase of home heating bills by hundreds of dollars in my riding. In the press release yesterday, Madam Speaker, there was nothing said about the impact of heating bills. Can the Minister tell me how much heating bills will go up for the average household in the communities of Sachs Harbour, Paulatuk, Ulukhaktok, and Tuktoyaktuk? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I do have that information. I was just trying to see if I could pull it up quickly to provide that sense. I certainly can say, Madam Speaker, that quite unfortunately the communities in the riding of Nunakput are likely to be facing some of the highest impacts from the change to the federal carbon tax rate. And Madam Speaker, I'm not sure it does much good at this point to try to guess at those numbers. But they certainly are facing some of the highest increases certainly in the Northwest Territories as a result of the change to that carbon tax rate. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Could we have that information that she just said before the end of the sitting.

Madam Speaker, our government's press release said nothing about the impact of higher carbon taxes in heating bills. It didn't say anything about the impact of cost of living average in a household or a business. When the government raises its taxes to explain the impact of people from $50 a ton to $65 a ton, it's not meaningful information for the people. Government should provide more transparent accessible information on its proposal, Madam Speaker.

Can the Minister commit to release information on how the carbon tax will affect households in each community now through to 2030? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I certainly will be able to release that and make sure that we get it to the Members, make sure we get that out to the public. And Madam Speaker, you know, to be very clear also there's a difference in terms of who's being impacted. Folks that own their home are likely to pay more because they pay their heating fuel. Folks that are in market rentals that are paying for their heating fuel are likely to pay more. Folks who are in social housing or affordable housing will not be paying simply because that's part of the costs that get paid for them. Or if someone lives in a rental situation where the landlord won't be passing that on, they wouldn't, although given the increases, that is certainly not something one wouldn't want to plan on. But there are a number of households who are in other circumstances, they will be facing increases and we'll make sure to get that information out what the anticipated average rate increases will be by community. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the press release said, again, that GNWT offset its heating costs using a cost of living offset will the equal average out household heating cost increase and the people will still get impacted through the social housing due to the local LHOs going to still have to pay for that fuel which comes out of their budget which is so limited.

Madam Speaker, will the Minister consider a fairer approach to the carbon tax to offset such as a tiered cost of living offset payments to give more support to the people of the Beaufort Delta in a tiered system? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I certainly would consider that. And Madam Speaker, I just wanted to acknowledge that, you know, it's thanks very much to the ideas presented by committee that the department can go back and take some time and see if there are other ways to try to mitigate the increases to the federal carbon tax. One being a tiered system by region but at the same time looking at, you know, that as I said earlier, home someone who owns their home, someone who doesn't own their home, even within a region, there's going to be differences in what someone pays. So we do want to do some work to try to be as equitable as possible but acknowledging that because there certainly are those ridings who are facing those higher costs, Madam Speaker, we are going to go back and see if there is a way to adjust to account for that. Thank you, Madam Speaker.