Debates of February 15, 2023 (day 139)

Date
February
15
2023
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
139
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Mr. Edjericon, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. O’Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Rocky Simpson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Ms. Weyallon Armstrong.
Statements

Mahsi. And Ms. Weyallon Armstrong.

Okay. So that North Slave district office here, it says there's you recognize North Slave district office for the active position. And, I mean, for North Slave district, but you recognize Tlicho but there's nothing allocated there. So I ask why is that?

Mahsi. That was for the active positions on 389. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll have President Young respond. Sorry, I was commenting on the wrong section. Thank you.

All right. Mr. Martin.

Eleanor Young. President Young.

Speaker: MS. YOUNG

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I believe this is just a formatting. The format for the pages is something that we fill out for the main estimates but as you can see, we filled it all out as North Slave office positions for 12 positions. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mahsi. Ms. Weyallon Armstrong.

Okay. Well, North Slave district office there's it's not just Tlicho region. Tlicho four Tlicho communities. There's Lutselk'e. There's Dettah. There's N'dilo. There's Lutselk'e. So how many of this position goes to the outlying communities?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Sorry, can the Member repeat her question.

Ms. Weyallon Armstrong.

Okay, I just said that it's not just Tlicho communities. There's four Tlicho communities. There's Dettah, N'dilo. There Lutselk'e. There's Fort Resolution and Yellowknife headquarters I mean, North Slave. You know, Yellowknife is for us, it's headquarters. So I'm just how many of this position is allocated in the outlying communities?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll have President Young respond. Thank you.

Speaker: MS. YOUNG

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So just to correct, it's the four Tlicho communities, Lutselk'e and Yellowknife and Dettah, N'dilo. Fort Res is in our South Slave Region for our purposes. And the 12 positions work with all of the communities listed. So there will be program officers, technical staff, finance staff. They work with all communities, all LHOs out of that district office. They're not assigned per community. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mahsi. Ms. Weyallon Armstrong.

Okay, thank you. Will the Minister commit to decentralizing the North Slave district office to the communities?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is a conversation that is actually happening at the Tlicho housing working group. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mahsi. Ms. Weyallon Armstrong.

Okay, thank you. Well, that's good. I think then we know that, you know, we'll get program will be operating effectively and efficiently and especially for the people and for the elders, you know, that require interpreters and all that.

So seniors aging in place retrofit and repairs, okay, it increases. It increased this year to 20232024, it increased. So I just wanted to ask for the income threshold, what is the income threshold? Is it the same in all the regions or is it different, like from Tuk to Behchoko?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll have President Young respond.

Speaker: MS. YOUNG

Thank you, Mr. Chair. For the purposes of these programs, I believe the income threshold is the same. But I will preface that by saying and the income thresholds are under review in 20232024. So that's a live conversation at the moment about whether those income thresholds need to be reconsidered. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mahsi. Ms. Weyallon Armstrong.

Thank you. It's good it's being reviewed, but can you give us a number? Like, there must be a number. Because the reason why I'm asking is because we have a lot of, okay, seniors aging at home and we have a lot of people that retire and even for two income, they apply for the program they're not eligible. And it's they went from being two income earners household to retirement, and it's difficult for them to make ends meet.

And because this income threshold. They need repair done to their unit to their House but as a result of the income threshold, they're denied most of the time. And they were they were a taxpayer and they provided to the program and services that's being delivered right now. So that's why I ask if it's if there's a number that, you know if they have a number, it would be nice if they can share it with us. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will follow up with the Member. Thank you.

Ms. Weyallon Armstrong.

For emergency repair, that is another important one too, where there's lots of issues especially for the private homeowners. So that one too also increased, and I just wanted to ask for 20232024 I know it's for 20232024 and I know that they are collecting or they're I know people are applying for the new fiscal year because they're saying that for this program there's no more funds. So when can people start receiving some repair done to their place? Do they have to wait until April 1st, or can they receive funds or help for the emergency repair to their units before April 1st?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The applications, there should not be restrictions on when the applications are to be received. And we are taking basically the onewindow approach working with our clients as well and to try to best accommodate their housing needs. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mahsi. Ms. Weyallon Armstrong.

Okay. Habitat for Humanity, so there's allocated for this year. I just wanted to ask if I know they were advertising before. So how does this Habitat for Humanity work?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We do have an agreement with Habitat For Humanity to be committed to, I think it's ten units. I'll have President Young elaborate on the programming and the agreement. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Speaker: MS. YOUNG

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So first to clarify, there is money for habitat but it's coming out of our capital budget, not our operating budget. So we do have a $100,000 still this year I believe it is for habitat identified.

With habitat, it's, as the Minister said, a partnership. They have a board and an executive director. They receive applications and screen applications and look for clients for the programs. Their goal at this point is to try to do half their units in Yellowknife and half their units outside of Yellowknife. And so I do know that they are trying to look at Behchoko for the coming delivery cycle if they can find a client there. So they'd be advertising looking for clients to apply in Behchoko. They have delivered in Yellowknife and Dettah, N'dilo, more recently. But the criteria for the program are under Habitat for Humanity’s. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mahsi. Next we have Ms. Martselos.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My first question is with regards to the line in program detail vice president's office. In the main estimates, it has $383,000. And then the previous finance and infrastructure services, it has $510,000. So that adds up to $893,000 for the vicepresident's office. I wonder what that entails. Could you just give me a brief I'm asking that question the previous section and this section, and it adds up to $893,000 rather than one line. It's almost the same as the expenses with the president's office, Mr. Chair. So I'm just wondering why separate them? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll have vicepresident Jim Martin respond. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. MARTIN

Thank you, Mr. Chair. There was a change for 20232024 Main Estimates with the VP office for programs. The coordinator position was reprofiled from the VP office into program development. And that was subsequently restructured under a new position reporting to the director of programs, and that explains the reduction from 20222023 to 20232024. So we're essentially down to two positions in the VP office for programs and district operations. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mahsi. Ms. Martselos.

My second question is I've heard the Minister say that they're going clientbased and other people saying that they appreciate the clientbased direction that the housing corp is taking. If you're really serious about this, I would like to see oversight for the clientbased programs. There should be a neutral oversight appeal board for clients. And I wonder if the Minister or the department will examine this. Thank you, Mr. Chair.