Thank you, Minister, and thank you, Madam Chair. Recognizing that FASD is a complex diagnosis with a number of complex issues, I would just add that there are a number of different professionals who would support that individual depending on what their unique needs are. And so whether it's rehab, whether it's as the Minister had mentioned, whether it's anything through adult services but ultimately at the end of the day, it's ensuring that the individual gets the support that they need based on what their needs are from their diagnosis.
Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.
No, thanks, Madam Chair. No, I appreciate the answers and, you know, I understand the importance of offering this service and the work that the staff go into trying to make sure it's fully staffed and maintained. So thank you very much. Thanks.
Thank you. Minister.
Thank you for the comment.
Are there any further Members that haven't spoken to health and social programs? Seeing none, please turn to page 198, Health and Social Services, health and social programs, operations expenditure summary, 20232024 Main Estimates, $368,795,000. Does committee agree?
Agreed.
Thank you. We will now turn to long term and continuing care services beginning on page 203, with information items on page 204 and 205. Questions? Member for Kam Lake.
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I'm going to go back to my question from earlier. I'm wondering what amount is set aside for O and M for Stanton Legacy in this section? Thank you.
Thank you. Minister.
We're going to look that up. But the number I remember off the top of my head is $8.5 million.
Member, did you while they Kam Lake.
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I'm also wondering, since we are on this part here oh actually, no, sorry, that's a capital cost question so I will skip over that. Can the Minister confirm if the total $8.5 million is for all of the costs that will be needed to operate Stanton Legacy in its first year in operation? Thank you.
Thank you. Minister.
Yes, thank you for the question. So $4.23 million is for longterm care. $3.9 million is for extended care. And the programs that are moving into Stanton Legacy are already funded. So there is no additional funding for them in this budget.
Thank you. Member for Kam Lake.
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. And can the Minister confirm when the opening day is for Stanton Legacy? Thank you.
Thank you. Minister.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, at this point we do not have an opening day. We have an opening season. Summer.
Thank you. Member.
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Luckily it's a short season so it kind of gives me a good indication of when that might be.
Can the Minister also confirm that any cost associated with the move in will also be included in this $8.5 million? Thank you.
Thank you. Minister.
Thank you. I'll ask the director of finance to answer, please.
Thank you. Ms. Johnson.
There is some funding under the capital project for the transition into the new facility as well as some limited funding in this $8.6 million.
Member for Kam Lake.
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, when will Health have a better idea of what the move in day is because I know that, you know, summer is a season but it's a quickly approaching season, thankfully, even though we look outside and it's very chilly out it goes fast. Thank you.
Thank you. Minister.
Yes, thank you. We're waiting for some modifications that were required before we take the keys, which we expect to do this spring. Then they'll be a commissioning period and a period where people and equipment is moved in to the building to make it operational. And at that point, the public will be welcomed in to the building. That's why we're saying summer. There are some loose ends around exactly what amount of time is allocated to each of those activities. I think that once we obtain the keys to the building and begin the commissioning, we'll be in a better position to identify a moving in day. That's what happened with the Stanton Territorial Hospital. Once the keys were received, they identified a move in or pardon me, a first day of operations for patients.
Thank you. Member for Kam Lake.
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. So, Madam Chair, going forward, because it will no longer be a capital budget expenditure, it will be O and M, so in this kind of different scenario, we now lease this facility Stanton Legacy from a third party. And so any of deficiencies that are found within Stanton Legacy once it comes on board, are those going to be the responsibility of the third party, or how is that going to work, or have you divided up so that, you know, there is a clear indication of what will be the GNWT's responsibility for funding and what will be the third party's responsibility for funding? Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services.
Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the Department of Infrastructure is in charge of the building and the renovation at this point. So any deficiencies or need to address deficiencies would be questions for them. We're the end user. So we get the keys, and at that point we sincerely hope it is trouble free.
Thank you. Member for Kam Lake.
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. And thank you for that. Likely, you know, we'll have that opportunity. I'm wondering if the Minister can also identify what is the cost per bed that Stanton Legacy uses for longterm care clients and the cost per bed that they use for extended care facilities? Thank you.
Thank you. Minister.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Can I clarify is this the staffing O and M costs, or is this construction costs; what kind of costs? Thank you.
Thank you. Member.
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I'm looking for the cost per bed to run a bed for a person who is in so not the capital cost but the O and M costs for a person who is in longterm care versus a person who is in extended care. I'm wondering what the number is that health uses in order to budget based on the number of rooms or number of clients they expect to have. Thank you.
Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, we'll have to return to the Member with that information.
Thank you. Member for Kam Lake, did you have nothing? Okay. Member for Nunakput.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Just in regards to home care services support in the communities, what does it look like for the Beaufort Delta per se in regards to costing and breakdown for communities; is there a way to get numbers on that? Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services.
Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you for the question. The details of the NTHSSA budget are not part of this budget. This is the departmental budget so we don't have a breakdown by region of what NTHSSA is spending. So my best recommendation would be for the Member to talk to the COO of the Beaufort Delta authority and ask them specifically what that budget is for. Thank you.
Thank you. Member for Nunakput.
Thank you, Madam Chair. So longterm care support services, I got permission to talk to the COO so that's good, I'll get an email into them. I appreciate that.
Longterm care and supportive service supported living in the communities, in regards to that, is the same thing different budget, or is this right across the territory for that? Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services.
So that number, the $21 million some odd number for home care and support services oh sorry, the $46 million for longterm care and supported living is what is allocated to the health authorities for use for home and continuing care. And the breakdown of that is NTHSSA has $33,819,000 of that. Hay River has $6,002,000. And TCSA has $3,905,000. But how they allocate that, like NTHSSA is a big entity. It's got the Beaufort Delta, the Sahtu, the Deh Cho, Yellowknife, South Slave. So how it's allocated among those entities is part of the NTHSSA budget. Thank you.
Thank you. Member for Nunakput.
