Debates of May 31, 2023 (day 158)

Date
May
31
2023
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
158
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Mr. Edjericon, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. O’Reilly, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Ms. Semmler, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek
Topics
Statements
Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Committee, we will defer the bill number and title until after consideration of the clauses. Does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Please turn to page 1 of the bill. Clause 1, does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Clause 2, does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Clause 3, does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Committee, returning to the bill number and title, Bill 90, An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 5, does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Committee, to the bill as a whole, does committee agree that Bill 90, An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 5, is now ready for third reading?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. Does committee agree that this concludes our consideration of Bill 90, An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 5?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Thank you, Member, and thank you to your witness. Sergeantatarms, please escort the witness from the Chamber.

Committee, we've agreed to consider Tabled Document 94019(2), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 20232024. Does the Minister of Finance have any opening remarks?

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I am happy to present the Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 20232024.

The infrastructure supplementary estimates propose a total increase of $124.5 million comprised of the following items:

• $129.5 million for infrastructure expenditures funding for projects that were not completed in 20222023. This amount is fully offset by lapses in appropriations in 20222023;

• A decrease of $9.6 million to reflect changes in the timing of planned expenditures for the Frank Channel Bridge replacement project;

• $2.2 million to purchase a Dual Seat Fireboss aircraft for wildfire management. This amount is partially offset by revenues received from the federal government;

• $1.6 million to undertake planning and scoping work for the Territorial Fire Centre; and,

• $500,000 to purchase a loader for the Fort Smith Airport. This funding is fully offset by revenues received from the federal government.

This concludes my opening remarks. Madam Chair, I would be happy to answer any questions that Members may have.

Thank you, Minister. Do you wish to bring witnesses into the House?

Yes, please, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Sergeantatarms, please escort the witnesses into the Chamber.

Minister, will you introduce your witnesses, please.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, with me today, on my left, is Bill MacKay, the deputy minister of finance. And on my right is Terence Courtoreille, the deputy secretary to the financial management board.

Thank you. I will now open the floor for general comments. Member for Frame Lake.

Thanks, Madam Chair. Can I just get a sense of how much money was lapsed in the 20222023 fiscal year on the capital side? Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Madam Chair. So total amount expected to be lapsed would be $54 million roughly.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Okay, thank you. How much in this capital sup is actually carryovers? Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chair. So that is $129,652,000.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Okay, thanks. So were there any projects that were lapsed that are not carried forward, and where would we find that information and the total? Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, let me turn that to Mr. Courtoreille. He may have that information available.

Thank you. Mr. Courtoreille.

Speaker: MR. COURTOREILLE

Thank you, Madam Chair. There is a total of $2.7 million in projects that are not being carried over and being lapsed. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Yeah, thanks. So I think I heard $2.7 million. That doesn't seem to jive with the information we have available to us, but yeah, is that information publicly available somewhere? Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, with respect to project - sorry, let me turn that one to the deputy minister if I could, please. Thank you.

Thank you. Deputy minister.

Speaker: MR. MacKAY

Thank you, Madam Chair. If I understand the question correctly, the question was - maybe I could just ask for clarification. Do you want to know what projects specifically are not being - are lapsing or not being completed, or do you want to know how much money that represents? Thank you.

Thank you. I believe it's the amount. Just to confirm, Member for Frame Lake.

Madam Chair, I'm sorry, I don't know how we've managed to lose the train of thought here. I think we were looking for one answer and then another question came in. So can I just get - I'm sorry, but what is the question that we're looking for the answer on now, please.

Member for Frame Lake, can you just repeat your question in full.

Thanks, Madam Chair, while the clock is ticking. I guess I wanted to know how much of the capital estimates that were approved in 20222023 were not carried over and where does the public find out this information, like the amount as well as a list of the projects? Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chair. So, Madam Chair, any changes to the capital plan from last year haven't been approved so there's nothing new available. Obviously, as new items are approved for - I mean, obviously if the supplementary appropriations get approved, then those changes can be made and they'd be - they could be reflected, but at this point it's difficult to make something public that's not yet actually a fact. Obviously as we go forward, every time there's a new capital plan that certainly has to be updated for that, you know, going forward this August when we have a new capital plan, the state of projects would have to be updated at that point in order to be approved for 20242025. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Okay, thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Yeah, thanks. Yeah, this is really murky. So I think I'm going to move on because I'm not really getting answers here. But if this supplementary appropriation is approved, what's the total capital funding then that the Legislative Assembly's authorized for 20232024? Thank you.