Debates of August 28, 2023 (day 161)

Date
August
28
2023
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
161
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie (remote), Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Mr. Bonnetrouge (remote), Hon. Paulie Chinna (remote), Ms. Cleveland (remote), Hon. Caroline Cochrane (remote), Mr. Edjericon (remote), Hon. Julie Green (remote), Mr. Jacobson (remote), Mr. Johnson (remote), Ms. Martselos (remote), Ms. Nokleby (remote), Mr. O’Reilly (remote), Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson (remote), Mr. Rocky Simpson (remote), Hon. Shane Thompson (remote), Hon. Caroline Wawzonek (remote), Ms. Weyallon Armstrong (remote)
Statements
Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. I will allow the Member for Monfwi to do closing comments. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's good to hear what my colleagues think of this, of the bill. Mr. Speaker, you know that everybody knows climate change is here. It's maybe it's here to stay, or it's going you know, it's going to be different next year. We're not too sure, you know. But at this time, we are dealing with hot and dry weather. Minister of ECC said on the news article in a newspaper that this year he knew it was going to be a dry and hot summer, yet we feel they did not do enough to fight the fire that went that, you know, like, that burned out of control. And in the process, with the evacuations and all that, it created a lot of chaos. It displaced a lot of our people. Yes, I understand about 6.4(b), the local authority, but the local authority is not Indigenous government or Indigenous organizations. So what we're trying to do is that we want to put Indigenous government, to recognize Indigenous government or Indigenous organizations to work with us in coordinations, in coordinating some kind of to work with our organizations I'm sorry, I'm just a little bit upset here because to work with us, to work with the Indigenous government to do a better job of coordinating a plan. Instead, what they did now is, like I mean, like, just like one of my colleagues says, what happened in the south. We lost some members from the North, you know, and we are worried about the vulnerable people. So that's why we wanted to put in here Indigenous government, to recognize the Indigenous government.

We cannot be second class citizen anymore, and that's what you guys are doing. This is what the government is doing. We're second class. Like, all this was happening in our land and we were we were not consulted. Tlicho government was not consulted. Other Indigenous government were not consulted about the state of emergency and about the evacuation that was going to happen in Yellowknife because that state of emergency put our life at risk, and there's still 28 communities that we have to consider. And that 28 communities and they're still, okay, half of Yellowknife is gone, or almost all of Yellowknife population is gone, and along with the South Slave, but there's still 15,000 people here. And it is us that's going to be here, not we know we lost some some Northwest Territories residents as a result of all this, as a result of the evacuation. Some of them are not going to come back. We know that, you know.

So I wanted to say that, Mr. Speaker, in times like this, many of our elders have said, you know, we may not like each other but make an effort to work with each other to move forward. We should put our political difference aside and try to work with each other to support each other to move this government forward. This is not about us. It's not about the Cabinet. It's not about all the Regular MLAs. It is about the people of the Northwest Territories. So we don't have to go through another chaos like this, because the climate change is here to stay. And the expert that Minister keep referring to, well the expert needs help. They need to work well with the Indigenous government, Indigenous knowledge. For me, I don't consider them expert because they did not include the traditional knowledge. They did not include our elders who are the keepers of the land. And you guys, all of you, all of you Indigenous should know this. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Monfwi. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Member for Thebacha.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too want to just thank the mover of the motion and the seconder for their intent of the motion. I think a good review that will take place with the next Assembly will be we'll know what happened and what was wrong and what was right and but I'm not going to be questioning some of the you know, I want to remain calm because that's what my constituents would appreciate. I know for a fact as a former chief of the Salt River First Nation that I've been chief for 14 years, and Indigenous governments in the community of Fort Smith were always kept informed throughout the steps of every step until the evacuation. The mayor and council and the person in charge of EMO in Fort Smith was were all consulted, including myself. And I was always updated by the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Minister of ECC. I was always kept informed and, you know, I'm not a computer person. Everybody knows that. And so they either text me and then I'd look at my emails, because I know how to do that, and I was able to navigate everything that I've done for the people of Fort Smith. At this point, I really do not want to sound like you know, there might have been some communication gaps but those communication gaps were for me to make sure that the communication gap was addressed. Every MLA has to do that. That's my job. I was, like I said previously, the 1800 number. I'm not going to be questioning what the first responders are doing or not doing. It's not up to me because I know they're trying to save my community, which is still at risk. Okay, when you have 30degree 30degree Celsius at this time of year, that's unusual, but I will not be saying that we have to go ahead and go ahead and do the EMO bill that the private Member's bill that's before us. I will not be supporting that at this time. You can't do that in the middle of the emergency. There's a time and place for everything. And in the next Assembly, or in the next sitting in September, we'll have a debate on this. And I will not be supporting the amendment of Bill 98 in the second in this second reading. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Recorded Vote

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a recorded vote on second reading of Bill 98. The Member for Monfwi.

I support. In favour.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

Thank you. The Member for Great Slave.

Strongly in favour.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

Thank you. The Member for Nahendeh.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Yellowknife South.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Sahtu.

In favour.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Range Lake.

In favour.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Hay River North.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Deh Cho.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Hay River South.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Thebacha.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Kam Lake.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Frame Lake.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Nunakput has indicated that he is opposed.

The Member for Yellowknife North.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Tu NedheWiilideh.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake.

In favour.

Speaker: Mr. Glen Rutland

The Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

The results of the recorded vote: 14 in favour, four opposed, zero abstentions. The motion is carried. Bill 98 has had second reading.

The Honourable Member for Monfwi.

Okay, yes, sorry about that. Thank you. Sorry about that, Mr. Speaker. So can you just give me a few minutes?

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Page 12.

Page 12. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 8.2(7) and have Bill 98 referred directly to third reading. Mr. Speaker okay, that's you, okay, sorry about that.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Monfwi. The Member is seeking unanimous consent to waive Rule 8.2(7) and have Bill 98 referred directly to third reading. Are there any nays?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Nay.

Colleagues, there is not unanimous consent to refer to third reading. The bill stands referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations for further work to be done.

Second reading of bills. Minister responsible for Finance.

Bill 99: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures) No. 2, 20232024, Carried

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the Honourable Member for Nahendeh, that Bill 99 Supplementary Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures) No. 2, 20232024, be read for the second time. This bill makes supplementary appropriations for operations expenditures for the Government of the Northwest Territories for the 20232024 fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister responsible for Finance. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Member for Frame Lake.