Debates of March 2, 2021 (day 64)

Date
March
2
2021
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
64
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. Norn, Mr. O'Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Rocky Simpson, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek
Topics
Statements

Thank you. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you for that response. If I could just get something in writing from the Ministers about the breakdown about the wholesale cost and some of the factors because I know I am going to get that question again in the future, just so I could explain to my constituents what factors into the cost of fuel? Thank you.

Thank you, Member. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, absolutely.

Nothing further. Thank you.

Member for Great Slave.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am looking at the line item for occupational health and safety on page 248. I note that it's $306,000 for the upcoming year, which is an increase of $150,000 or so. It is my understanding that that is a staffing position increase. Now, for me, it's really concerning that for a department with an overall budget of, what are we looking at here, $278 million, that there is only $306,000 being spent on health and safety. This is the department of the doers and the workers and the people who are out in the field and active, and I feel that the health and safety funding is woefully short. Perhaps the Minister can speak to whether or not the department is looking to increase funding for occupational health and safety roles within the department. Thank you.

Thank you, Member. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. The occupational health and safety is crucial to some of the line of work that we do within Marine Transportation Services or let alone the Department of Infrastructure. In terms of the increase, I know it does not look like a lot, but we did increase by one extra position in the Northwest Territories. Perhaps one is not enough. I think that is where the Member is going, and that is something we can look at. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. Just a further comment to that, I do think it would be worthwhile, as we look at integrating things and breaking down silos within the GNWT, that the entire health and safety program of the Government of the Northwest Territories be looked at and perhaps one unified one created, which would be great, along with a public safety department, but I will follow up with the Minister at a later date on that. Sorry. I just lost my spot here. I really do need glasses, particularly at the end of this day. I am going to leave it there, and if I could come back to my spot, I will just send an email. Thank you. I am good.

Thank you, Member. Any further questions from Members under programs and services? Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Do we have a timeline when we expect all departments to be on our digital integrated management system, our digital records system, a.k.a. DIIMS? Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am going to find -- actually, I am using up his time, so I am going to turn it over to ADM Vandenberg. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Vandenberg.

Speaker: MR. VANDENBERG

Thank you, Madam Chair. I can tell you, at this time, and I may have mentioned this before, that DIIMS has not been implemented at a few of the departments: Education, Culture and Employment; Health and Social Services; Executive and Indigenous Affairs; and at the Legislative Assembly. The implementation of DIIMS is certainly high on our priority list. We are working with the departments to do that. You may know that the occupational records classification system and the administrative records, the ARCs and the ORCs classification systems, need to be accomplished by these departments before we can fully implement the DIIMS in these departments. Again, we are working with them to see that that happens. That is really the denominator of how long it will take to get it done. We do have a schedule. We want to move forward on this as quickly as possible.

Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. We spend two-and-a-half million dollars a year on corporate information management. Getting all of our departments on the same records is essential for the ATIPP implementation; it's essential for any sort of digital government work we have to do. I hear what the department is saying, is that there is a readiness aspect in that the first step is departments getting their records in order so that they can actually be brought into the GNWT's digital information system. What is the department doing to make sure that ECE, Health and Social Services, EIA, and I guess I will talk to the Legislative Assembly about making sure they are ready and getting DIIMS online? Sorry. I just want to re-ask my first question. Do we have a timeline? I know we are trying. I know we are spending millions of dollars doing this every year, but it has been many years in the making, so when can we actually expect the GNWT to be on one information management system? Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Tthe Member did talk about when. There are some steps that we need to do that meet some of our key requirements in order to get everybody online. That is going to take time. I am going to look to ADM Vandenberg to see if he knows a little more information about some timelines in getting everybody on the same page. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Vandenberg.

Speaker: MR. VANDENBERG

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will say that, again, we cannot pin down an exact timeline, but we are working. The Department of Infrastructure is working. We are providing project management support, training, help-desk support, advisory services to support the approval and implementation of ORCs in these departments. I cannot say exactly how long that will take, but we are redoubling our efforts to make sure that they can get that done, and we are providing the training accordingly. It's going to vary per department, depending upon the volume of records that they have. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vandenberg. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. I recognize that the fault probably does not lie with the corporate information management section and that departments, some of our records are in a mess, and it was a lot of work to bring all of the records into one place for the departments who got there. Can I just get a commitment from the Minister to try to do their best to put together a timeline? I believe there was a timeline at one point when DIIMS was first rolled out and that we failed to meet it a couple of times in a row now, so perhaps there is some hesitancy to actually put a date on this. If possible, can the Minister come back with a date or at least an assessment of what is the barrier to getting this work done? Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I think that is a great idea. That would put a lot of pressure onto some of the departments who still are not combined with our infrastructure information management system, so absolutely. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister. Member.

No further questions. I will celebrate the day we are all on one information management system and all of our ARCs and ORCs are sorted out. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else who wants to ask questions under programs and services? Member for Deh Cho.

Mahsi, Madam Chair. I am looking under the line item, compliance and licensing. That is a $3-million price tag. Can you explain what this line item entails? Mahsi.

Thank you, Madam Chair. There is a variance there. It's actually an increase. No, sorry. There is a variance for increased O and M expenses for the monthly maintenance and support fees and increased travel in 2019 under compliance and licensing. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mahsi, Madam Chair. You mentioned maintenance in there. Can you tell me what you mean by maintenance in there? Mahsi.

Thank you, Member. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to get ADM Brennan to explain maintenance. Thank you.

Thank you. ADM Brennan.

Speaker: MR. BRENNAN

Thank you. What the Minister was referring to was the maintenance of our actual drive system. This division, compliance and licensing, maintains the drive system, which is our driver and vehicle licensing system, and we have to provide maintenance fees to keep that up to date on an ongoing basis and move forward towards things like online services. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Deh Cho.

Mahsi. Mahsi for that. The other one I'm looking at is inspection services. We've got $1.6 million. What type of inspection services are these? Mahsi.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to ask ADM Brennan to speak a little more about the programs for inspection services.

Thank you. Mr. Brennan.

Speaker: MR. BRENNAN

Thank you, Madam Chair. The types of inspections that that division takes care of are inspections for electrical boilers, gas pressure, vessels, and elevators. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Deh Cho.

Mahsi, Madam Chair. Mahsi for that answer. You are mentioning that it's electrical, boiler, gas, and electrical. That sounds very familiar because we do have those safety services within the GNWT, whether it's under Infrastructure. Are these the people who you are actually using who are within government? Mahsi.

Thank you, Member. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't know if I heard that question, my earpiece was off, but I'm sure one of the staff, Assistant Deputy Minister Vandenberg, may have heard that question. Thank you, Madam Chair.