Debates of June 9, 2020 (day 29)

Date
June
9
2020
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
29
Members Present
Hon. Frederick Blake Jr, Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Ms. Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Martselos, Hon. Katrina Nokleby, Mr. Norn, Mr. O'Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Rocky Simpson, Hon. Diane Thom, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek.
Topics
Statements
Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife Centre. Minister of Finance.

Mr. Speaker, I know that we have been working on a number of initiatives in order to support staff who might be leaving the territory, and I am not going to misstate exactly what those provisions are. I will get that answer for the Member. I am half-expecting it to show up in my inbox as I am standing here. I do know that there has been a lot of discussion about it, but at the moment, Mr. Speaker, I am not going to misstate exactly who is getting what leave, and when, and for what purpose. We want to support the employees, but we also want to be fair and ensure that everybody is being treating equally. I simply need to get back to the Member on it. I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am, of course, disappointed that the Minister is not able to provide the details at this point. I wonder if the Minister is also developing a communications plan to share with the private sector, most of whom are not going to be able to offer this kind of a benefit and who may not receive this news very well. Do you have a communications plan to explain how this is going to work and why it is necessary?

Any major policy changes would certainly be accompanied by a communications plan, and it has been our practice, of course, to share it with Members first before handing it out to the media. At this point, I don't see why we would do anything differently.

Thank you to the Minister for that answer. I realize that the Minister is not going to give us the details of this plan today, but maybe she can answer why this special leave is being considered.

There have been a lot of conversations happening at the Department of Finance around how to support workers who are either on leave or having to return, depending on the nature of the travel, if they have to take 14 days. I am certainly not suggesting that this is a definite program that is, in fact, in play, only that we have had to consider what we are going to do if staff are suddenly told, "No, you can't take leave," or "If you take leave, you still have to self-isolate," without getting some sense of when such a change would take place. Certainly, up to this point, a lot of generous leave provisions have been utilized when this crisis broke, when people weren't expecting to be suddenly having to self-isolate, who may have already had travel plans or were returning, and who were being accommodated so that they could self-isolate afterwards.

To the extent that there have been those discussions, it has been out of the fact that, at this point, a lot of employees have been granted various forms of leave in order to accommodate their return. We need to be fair. We need to be cognizant that we have been under this pandemic and emergency for some months. At this point, that has evolved, and we can't keep pretending that there is always the same level of crisis. We need to adapt, and we need to be ready to move on back to more normal stages of work.

Those are the kinds of discussions that we are having: how do we keep employees safe; how do we treat them fairly; how do we ensure that they can travel if they have to travel, if there is an essential reason for them to do so; and then ensure that they can come back, go back to work, and be treated fairly against somebody else who might have had to travel enough to come back and go back to work. I am quite cognizant that the private sector won't necessarily be able to be as generous with some of those provisions as a large employer such as the GNWT.

Those are all some of the considerations that have been swirling around at the division of human resources, and Mr. Speaker, I, certainly, as I have said, will commit to getting a very much clearer picture back to the Member as to exactly what the plan is.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is right. The private sector is not able to be as generous. Our business has been open throughout the pandemic, and people who want to take holidays have to self-isolate for two weeks on their own time. That is not paid time by the employer. That's the reality of small business, the backbone of the economy.

What I am interested in hearing, finally, is when the GNWT staff are going to go back to work. I realize that it is a phased approach, but when is it going to start, and what is it going to look like as a general idea? Thank you.

The return to work site work plan was put out by the human resources division about, I want to say, a week ago, perhaps two weeks ago. It was circulated in the House. I believe it is actually posted on the website. I will double-check that the link is available and will certainly circulate that again. It is a phased approach. It is a phased approach that looks at ensuring those who are already back at work can continue to be at work, that the increase in the number of people who are able to return to work in a more formal capacity, and that, as the Emerging Wisely plan unfolds, that the GNWT is, in turn, responding to the Emerging Wisely plan and maximizing what workers can be on site, utilizing a fairly careful approach in terms of making sure that programs and services are being delivered, and then also making sure that employees are kept safe.

There is a very detailed phased approach. As I say, I believe it is available online. Workers are already back at work; programs and services are already being delivered; and we are going to continue to increase the number in ways that we can provide those programs and services over time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabling of Documents

Tabled Document 130-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2020-2021

Tabled Document 131-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Questions 232-19(2): Mental Health Support for Staffing at South Mackenzie Correctional Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following documents: "Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2020-2021;" and "Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 232-19(2), Mental Health Support for Staffing at South Mackenzie Correctional Centre." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Tabling of documents. Minister of Environment and Natural Resources.

Tabled Document 132-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 249-19(2): Territorial Fire Centre

Tabled Document 133-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 271-19(2): Impact on Camping Outside of Campgrounds

Tabled Document 134-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 272-19(2): Transfer of Land Within Municipal Boundaries

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following three documents: "Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 249-19(2), Territorial Fire Centre;" "Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 271-19(2), Impact on Camping Outside of Campgrounds;" and "Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 272-19(2), Transfer of Land Within Municipal Boundaries." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Tabling of documents. Member for Kam Lake.

Tabled Document 135-19(2): White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table a document titled "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack," by Peggy McIntosh. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Tabling of documents. Member for Frame Lake.

Tabled Document 136-19(2): Letter from Yellowknife Day Care Association dated June 9, 2020 regarding Support for Childcare During and After the Pandemic

Merci, Monsieur le President. I wish to table a letter from the Yellowknife Daycare Association and Children First Society dated June 9, 2020, to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, regarding support for childcare during and after the pandemic. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Notices of Motion

Motion 10-19(2): Extended Adjournment of the House to October 15, 2020

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that, on Friday, June 12, 2020, I will move the following motion: I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River North, that, notwithstanding rule 4, when this House adjourns on Friday, June 12, 2020, it shall be adjourned until Thursday, October 15, 2020; and further, that any time prior to October 15, 2020, if the Speaker is satisfied, after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly, that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment or at a time later than the scheduled resumption of the House, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice and shall transact its business as if it had been duly adjourned to that time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you. Colleagues. We will take a five-minute break.

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Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

[Microphone turned off].

Motion 11-19(2): Creation of a Northwest Territories Elders' Strategy

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that, on Thursday, June 11, 2020, I will move the following motion: Now therefore I move, seconded by the Member for Thebacha, that the Government of the Northwest Territories develop a strategy by engaging Northwest Territories elders that provides a whole-of-government approach to enhance and coordinate programs and services to elders going forward; and further, that the government respond to this motion within 120 days. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motions

Motion 9-19(2): Reappointment of Human Rights Commission Members, Carried

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. WHEREAS Section 16.(2) of the Human Rights Act provides that the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission is composed of such members, between three and five in number, as may be appointed by the Commissioner on the recommendation of the Legislative Assembly;

AND WHEREAS there will be three vacancies on the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission as of June 8, 2020;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake that the Legislative Assembly recommend the reappointment of the following individuals to the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission:

Ms. Marion Berls of the Town of Fort Smith, for a term of four years; and

Mr. Charles Dent of the City of Yellowknife, for a term of four years;

AND FURTHER, that the Speaker be authorized to communicate the effective date of these appointments to the Commissioner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Any abstentions? The motion is carried.

---Carried

First Reading of Bills

Bill 7: Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2020-2021

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, that Bill 7, Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2020-2021, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Any abstentions? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Second Reading of Bills

Bill 7: Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2020-2021

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, that Bill 7, Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2020-2021, be read for the second time. This bill authorizes the Government of the Northwest Territories to make appropriations for operations expenditures for the 2020-2021 fiscal year. It also sets out limits on amounts that may be borrowed by the Commissioner on behalf of the government, includes information in respect of all existing borrowing and all projected borrowing for the fiscal year, and authorizes the making of disbursements to pay the principle of amounts borrowed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. To the principle of the bill.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Any abstentions? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters