Debates of November 2, 2020 (day 47)

Date
November
2
2020
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
47
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. Norn, Mr. O'Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Rocky Simpson, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek
Topics
Statements

Second Reading of Bills

Bill 16: An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act

Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member from Hay River North, that Bill 16, An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act, be read for the second time. The bill reduces the small business tax rate from 4 percent to 2 percent effective January 1, 2020. It also makes retroactive amendments to harmonize the Northwest Territories tax regime with the federal system. Those amendments do two things: ensure that split income received by a senior is factored into the determination of their Territorial Age Credit; and allow more pension credit for veterans. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Member for Frame Lake.

Merci, Madame la Presidente. I wish to speak to this bill. The main purpose, as I can see, is to reduce the small business tax rate from 4 percent to 2 percent, and I'm sure the Minister of Finance will explain at some point that this is to bring our small business tax rates in line with some of the other jurisdictions in Canada. I am not opposed in principle to reducing taxes, but I think we need to look at the issue of tax fairness. This will result in our government losing some revenue, and I'd like to know how much. I think the public deserves to know that, as well.

I am mindful that the Minister of Finance gave a fiscal update about a week-and-a-half ago that, really, we're not in good shape, Madam Speaker, in terms of our finances, and this bill is not going to help that in any way. I would have much preferred an approach that would have been revenue-neutral so, if we're going to reduce taxes, then we have to find a way to replace that lost revenue.

I am on record supporting tax fairness rather than tax reductions, and I have suggested in the past many times that we need to look at ways to increase our revenues, and I think one of the ways that we need to look at increasing our revenues is by adding another tax bracket onto our personal income tax rates. We only have four; we're one of the few jurisdictions left in Canada that only has four income tax brackets. Alberta went to five in 2016. British Columbia went to five in 2014. New Brunswick went to six in 2015. Newfoundland and Labrador went to five in 2015. Nova Scotia went to five in 2010. Ontario went to five in 2014. Yukon went to five in 2015. Even the federal government went to five in 2016.

I'm all about tax fairness, Madam Speaker, and I think we need to find a way to replace this revenue. There is an opportunity to do so by looking at increasing our personal income tax brackets by adding one. I think it's only fair that we all find ways to contribute, especially during the pandemic. One way to do that is to add another high-income tax bracket to replace the lost revenue from this reduction in small business tax. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

To the principle of the bill. Member for Hay River North.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to second this bill. There was a time in this Assembly when the idea of reducing taxes on small business couldn't even be discussed. Not this current Assembly, but the previous one I was in. We heard today that small businesses have been hit hard by the pandemic, disproportionately perhaps. This is a way that we can help support them. Revenues are important. Revenues in the GNWT, of course, are important. However, I've had small businesses say to me that, "If I could have a bit of a tax break, I would be able to hire that apprentice." We need to think beyond just the GNWT and what our needs are. We need to think about the people and the businesses of the territory. I look forward to the debates on this going forward. Again, I'm happy to be part of this, and I think it's a great move for the territory. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Thank you, Member. To the principle of the bill. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I just would like to rise in support of this bill. I am sure my colleague, Mr. Simpson, is happy to see that this bill will pass first reading today and we will, ultimately, I believe, lower the small business tax rate. I really think the backbone of our NWT economy in recovery must be our small business. As we enter into a world and compete in a world where capital increasingly gets held in the hands of large businesses, I think we as government have to do everything we can to support our small businesses. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

To the principle of the bill.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Speaker: DEPUTY SPEAKER

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Abstentions? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

I call Committee of the Whole to order. What is the will of the committee? Mr. Norn.

Mahsi, Mr. Chair. Committee wishes to consider the following documents: Committee Report 4-19(2), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report; Committee Report 5-19(2), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories; and then Bill 15, Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2020. Mahsi, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. We will take a short break.

---SHORT RECESS

Committee, we agreed to consider Committee Report 4-19(2), Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report. I will go to the chair of the Standing Committee on Government Operations for any opening comments.

Our report was read into the record, so I do not have any substantive comments to add. I would like to thank the committee for their work on this report. Individual members may have comments on this report and its recommendations. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. I will now open the floor to general comments on Committee Report 4-19(2), Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report. Seeing no comments. Ms. Martselos.

Committee Motion 47-19(2): Committee Report 4-19(2): Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report – Removing Barriers to Alignment between Building Codes and Standards and the Human Rights Act, CARRIED

Mr. Chair, I move that this committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories investigate and take the necessary steps to solve the issues and remove the barriers that prevent the alignment between building codes and standards and the Human Rights Act. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Martselos. The motion is in order. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm glad to see you in that seat today. I'd just like to speak in support of this motion. The GNWT Department of Infrastructure on our good building practices has done a lot of great work in including disability and accessibility standards. However, that work we're very much leaders on has not made it into the private sector. Presently, there is a gap in this area. There is the national building code. Builders go out, they build something, and they think it's compliant with human rights law, and it's not. That can cause a lot of frustration for people who are building buildings to find out they followed a code, and it can actually end them up in human rights court.

The GNWT has done this work in the Department of Infrastructure, but we have not really translated it into the private sector. Some of that work is beginning. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has the fire prevention sections of the building code but not the rest of it. I really do believe we need a northern building code and a building standards act, and part of that work needs to make sure that contractors know that following the national building code doesn't always mean your building is accessible. There is work being done at the national level; there is work being done by GNWT. We have to put it all together and make sure that contractors know where those line up. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Johnson. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBER

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? All those abstaining? Motion carried.

---Carried

Ms. Martselos.

Committee Motion 48-19(2): Committee Report 4-19(2): Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report – Enhanced Digital Access and Inclusion for People with Disabilities, CARRIED

Chair, I move this committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories enhance digital access and inclusion for people living with disabilities in the Northwest Territories by reviewing current practices in serving the public and identifying measures to improve the existing situation with the goal to reduce the number of complaints to the human rights commission on the grounds of disabilities. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBER

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? All those abstaining? Motion carried.

---Carried

Ms. Martselos.

Committee Motion 49-19(2): Committee Report 4-19(2): Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report – Government Response to Recommendations, Carried

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I move that this committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories provide a response to the recommendations contained in this report within 120 days. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Martselos. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? All those abstaining? Motion carried.

---Carried

Thank you, committee. Do you agree that you have concluded consideration of Committee Report 4-19(2), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. We have concluded consideration of Committee Report 4-19(2), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report. Committee, we have agreed to consider Committee Report 5-19(2), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. I will go to the chair of the Standing Committee on Government Operations for any opening comments. Member for Thebacha.

Chair, our report was read into the record, so I do not have any substantive comments to add. I would like to thank the committee for their work on the report. Individual Members may have comments on the report and its recommendations. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Martselos. I will now open the floor to general comments on Committee Report 5-19(2), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. Seeing no comments, Ms. Martselos.

Committee Motion 50-19(2): Committee Report 5-19(2): Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories – Bringing into Force Amended Sections of Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, Carried

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I move that this committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories provide an update on the work being done to bring into force the amended sections of the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, including a schedule indicating when the changes will take effect. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Martselos. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? All those abstaining? Motion carried.

---Carried

Ms. Martselos.

Committee Motion 51-19(2): Committee Report 5-19(2): Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2018-2019 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories – Centralizing the Management and Administration of the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, Carried

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I move that this committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories investigate and explore options for centralizing the management and administration of the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories departments; and further, the standing committee recommends that government share the results of this review for committee input. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Martselos. The motion is in order. To the motion. Member for Yellowknife North.