Debates of May 28, 2021 (day 75)

Date
May
28
2021
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
75
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. O'Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek
Topics
Statements
Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Honourable Premier. Final supplementary. Member for Great Slave.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess that comes back to those awesome communications, since I didn't realize that.

My last question is around communications. Will the Premier direct her Ministers to improve their communication in collaboration with any thirdparty entities that they may be responsible for.

We as Regular Members must have the ability to look at all areas of the government in order to ensure the voice of the people is represented properly. Always deferring and deflecting and saying you can't speak or even relay information is frustrating for the rest of us as Members, and I'd ask that the Premier start to work on that. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm a bit confused on that question. I would ask that the Member actually meet with me in person later if she's willing to do that. My direction has been to Ministers since the beginning of this government has been that work with MLAs, work with stakeholders as much as possible. There will come times that we may have to fight. And ask any of the Ministers here. I can see the Member's shaking her head.

But you can ask any Minister here, that the direction has been work with people as much as possible. Pick your fights that you need to. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Honourable Premier. Oral Questions. Member for Deh Cho.

Oral Question 719-19(2): Addictions Aftercare

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is related to my Member's statement recognizing a young family who had taken the necessary steps to improve their lifestyle without alcohol and drugs.

I also note that two young men have also taken the steps to stay away from alcohol and drugs. That's in my community of Fort Providence. And it's probably during this time of COVID that there's lots of reflection, and some of this is happening.

What I do note is that there's no campaign within my community regarding aftercare services. My question to the Minister of Health and Social Services: Can she provide an update on the aftercare strategy from the department? Mahsi.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Deh Cho. Minister responsible for Health and Social Services.

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm always glad to hear that people have taken advantage of the treatment options that the department provides and that they have been successful. That is obviously great news for them and great news for the community as well.

We don't have an aftercare strategy, per se, but recently, we asked community governments to apply for peer support funding which would enable them to design their own program to assist people to maintain their sobriety.

So I hope that your community has applied for that money and that they will be able to provide that specific approach in addition to all the other mental health and supports that the Department offers. Thank you.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. And I thank the Minister for that reply. I note she did say that the communities have to apply for the funding to provide aftercare services. I'm just not sure if there's enough funding within that program for the community to hire a counsellor, a wellness counsellor.

I'm just wondering, I also note that they do have a mental health worker within the community, and I wonder if these professional services could be provided to the First Nations, should they choose to pursue an aftercare program. Mahsi.

Yes, thank you. The Member is correct, that there is one counsellor resident in the community and one child and youth care counsellor. These services are available to the public regardless of what their need is, what their age is, where they were born.

And I know that the community counsellor provides the Matrix Program, which is a form of aftercare, and he does that every Wednesday from 4:30 until 6:00, and I understand it's very well attended.

So by all means, I would encourage the Member to make that known to the people who have recently returned to the community. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake.

Oral Question 720-19(2): Airport Taxi Fees

Merci, Monsieur le President. My question is for the Minister of Infrastructure. Yellowknife taxi companies are looking for relief from airport taxi stand licence fees to get through the hard times. Can the Minister tell us what analysis, if any, was done on passenger traffic volumes before the decision was made to rescind the waiver on these fees as of January 1st, 2021. Merci, Mr. Speaker,.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister responsible for Infrastructure.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife airport continues to collect and maintain passenger traffic volumes on a monthly basis. The Yellowknife airport terminal passenger traffic is already seeing an increase over the year. Total passengers for the movement for the period of April 2021 for the air terminal building has increased 237 percent over the past year. The total number of aircraft movements for the fiscal 20202021 has increased 60 percent over last April. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Merci, Monsieur le President. That's great to hear the passenger traffic is increasing, but I didn't actually get a response to my question, as usual, Mr. Speaker. I asked for what kind of analysis was done before the waivers were rescinded as of January 1st.

But while these fees are significant for taxi drivers and their companies, I'm not sure that they're a vital revenue source for this Government.

Can the Minister tell us how many dollars were collected by charging the airport taxi stand licence fees at the Yellowknife airport and at all airports across the NWT in the last year and then the year before the pandemic. And I gave the Minister these questions before we got into the House today. Merci.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The annual rate for a taxi stand licence is $15,000, and it's payable in monthly installments of 1,250. There are currently three taxi operators at the Yellowknife airport making a total annual payment of $45,000. The taxi stand licence fees has not seen an increase since 2019. There are no other airports currently charging fees for taxi to be able to operate at the airports. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that information. It's interesting that these fees were only charged in Yellowknife, and it's only $45,000. I don't know why we can't do something about this. But, of course, we all look forward to the day when the pandemic restrictions are lifted and that we can get tourism going again. But if we don't have a taxi industry, how are they going to be able to serve the tourists that arrive here.

So will the Minister give that service sector the relief that it needs now and reinstitute the waiver on or at least prorate the taxi stand licence fees until we see the return of carriers and revival of passenger numbers to prepandemic levels? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the economic stimulus measures were initially introduced at the onset of COVID as a means to support small and local businesses. The relief was in place since April 1st, 2020, until December 31st, 2020.

I appreciate the Member providing me with his questions this morning, and I will review with the taxi licensing fees, and provide a written response to the Member within two weeks. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake. Final supplementary.

Merci, Monsieur le President. Now, I'm getting somewhere. This is great. No, seriously, though, I do appreciate that the Minister's willing to review the situation and she's going to get back to me in writing. So I appreciate that very much.

When I had an earlier exchange with her on this issue and I was told that, quote, from the Minister, "The YZF regional airport manager is continuing discussions in an effort to find a solution to alleviate the apparent challenge with these lease payments", that's great. But I'm not sure what else we can do besides prorate or reduce the fees.

But can the Minister tell us what other measures or supports might be provided in addition to the continued airport taxi stand licence fees. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are seeing, like I mentioned, an increase in air passenger traffic at the Yellowknife airport. I understand that the federal government has introduced various target programs for businesses that are impacted by COVID19, which may be able to provide some support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Oral Question 721-19(2): COVID-19 Communications

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to start off by reiterating my thanks to public servants who worked very hard during the outbreak here in Yellowknife.

During the outbreak, even constituents who were isolating and were confused were very you know, the very first thing that they always said was how thankful that they were because everybody had a friend who was working long hours, everybody knew somebody who was directly working with the outbreak. So our thanks for that.

My first question for the Minister of Health and Social Services today is who is responsible for COVID communication, and what is the approval process that takes place? Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister responsible for Health and Social Services.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the COVID Secretariat has a small communication staff that provides material to do with the public health orders. And on the other side, the NTHSSA provides communications and materials on the operational side of things, like testing and vaccinations. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it appeared that during the pandemic that there was a large requirement on those two entities to come together and do communication together. There was a lot of influx of calls to Protect NWT, to Public Health, and to the CPHO's office, and there was a need for those to come together and to work in unison.

So how does Health and Social Services or the office of the CPHO ensure that those communicating bodies are able to work together and pass the same and consistent information on to residents. Thank you.

Yes, thank you. These two branches are not in silos. They do speak to one another. The work they're doing is connected.

The perceived lack of consistency is actually because not everyone got the same advice about how long to isolate or how many tests they needed and so on. I found that there's been some confusion between the general advice given to the public and the specific advice given to individuals. And there's been a mixup of those two, and the result is that it looks confusing. And I understand that people did experience it as confusing.

And so I think that there are lessons to be learned going forward about how we can try to make that distinction between individual advice and general advice clearer and sooner. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm glad that the Minister mentioned "lessons learned" because my next question is about lessons learned and how does the Minister intend to ensure that lessons learned are captured from this outbreak so that we can better prepare how we will communicate future ones. Thank you.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's standard for the department, the Health Authority, and the Secretariat to do a debrief after an outbreak is over.

The outbreak at MJ McPherson is not yet over. But when it is, those three entities will meet and will go over what they've learned and what they could do differently next time. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary. Member for Kam Lake.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm happy to hear that and also happy to participate in any way that might be useful to the department as well if any feedback is useful.

Mr. Speaker, the World Health Organization publishes simple clear documents titled "I just found out I tested positive for 19" and "I just found out I am a contact of positive 19". Straightforward guiding documents like these would have been useful during the Yellowknife outbreak and especially where the Minister did acknowledge that there was some confusion over what category people fell into.

So I'm wondering will Health and Social Services commit to creating guiding documents for residents based on lessons learned from the Yellowknife outbreak that they could use in future ones. Thank you.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the pandemic began, the COVID Secretariat and NTHSSA have created videos, social media material, news releases, FAQs, a range of different kinds of documents that are available on the GNWT COVID19 site. It covers things like selfisolation, testing, vaccination, and so on.

So I wonder if some of the things the Member is looking for is already in place. I'm not familiar with the World Health Organization material.

What we do know is that in the course of the pandemic, information has changed. We've learned so much more, for example, about variants and how infectious they are, that we have been updating our guidance documents to reflect that. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife North.

Oral Question 722-19(2): COVID-19

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The current public health order which restricts many of the NWT's activities was drafted one year ago. That's the order that prohibits having five people in your home. It prohibits singing. It prohibits indoor funerals. And, in fact, many of the things it prohibits in that order are no longer relevant, as we've since allowed exceptions and variances of that order that was drafted one year ago.

Mr. Speaker, when that order was drafted, the context and the justification for those impositions were that our health care system had this risk of being overwhelmed. There was talks of waves. There was talks of ICU beds, ventilators. And given we are now at a 60 percent vaccination target, much of that language has disappeared. And so I'm confused as to what the main goal we are trying to mitigate is.

And I would like to being with having the Minister explain to me is there still a risk, given our vaccination targets, given that I believe 100 percent of people over 80 are now vaccinated, of filling up our ICU beds in the NWT, or have we now moved beyond a risk of overwhelming the health care system. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister responsible for Health and Social Services.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Public Health Act provides detailed guidance on the powers of the Chief Public Health Officer. And it is her role to evaluate risks. She has disclosed the documents that she uses. One particular one is from Johns Hopkins University. Another is from the National Chief Public Health Officers Committee that meets fairly regularly that she uses to consider what the risks are.

She is instructed in the legislation to balance the risks with personal freedoms, that the measures that she recommends need to be commensurate to the risk and not to necessarily restrict people from their daily business.

That said, risk assessments are completed by the CPHO. She tells me what she is recommending. We discuss it. She makes the public health order, and it is enforced by the COVID Secretariat at this point, and that is reinforced  I've got these steps jumbled up.

She makes the advice. She makes a public health order. I sign the state of emergency. And we go on from there.

It's true that the Emerging Wisely Plan is now over a year old, and it is due for an update. And we can say what the Chief Public Health Officer has said, that she is working on it, and it will be available to the public the first week of June. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recognize that. But I'm trying to get a risk assessment based on our specific situation. And it is my understanding  and I recognize I can barely read a report from the Johns Hopkins, let alone make a decision on it  that given our vaccination rate and what we know about the effectiveness in vaccination in reducing hospitalizations, that there's actually no path forward right now where COVID would fill up our ICU beds.

That's my understanding. But I am not an expert here. So I'm looking for clarification of whether there is actually a risk to the health care system or whether we have pivoted to a COVIDzero approach. I'm trying to understand whether there is actually a path where we could fill up ICU beds due to COVID cases given our vaccination rate. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, next Thursday evening at 7:00 p.m., the Chief Public Health Officer, myself, the Premier and others will be giving a briefing on the Emerging Wisely Plan to the Regular Members. And I invite the Member for Yellowknife North to ask his question at that time so the CPHO can give him a welldefined answer. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Previously the Minister drew into question the 75 percent vaccination target. This was kind of a light at the end of the tunnel for many people, and I recognize at that time there was some changing signs with variants. But I believe people now need a vaccination target. I think getting over this hurdle of 60 percent vaccination, people want to know if we get here, it will actually encourage more people to get vaccinated.

So my question for the Minister of Health is what is our current vaccination target. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister responsible for Health and Social Services.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we do not at this point have a specific number. We've been saying to people that they should get vaccinated if at all possible. The higher the vaccination rate, the better off we all are.

I think one of the lessons from the MJ outbreak is how vulnerable unvaccinated people are. Almost all of the cases there were children. The median age of those children was 8 and a half years old. So they're not eligible for vaccines at this point. And so having a vaccination rate is fine, but there are these pockets of people who are not vaccinated who we have to take into consideration as well. So we're saying to people, If you have the opportunity to get vaccinated.

The other thing I'll say is that it's not only the vaccination rate that the CPHO will be looking at. What the situation is in the provinces in terms of case counts and whether those counts come from variants are very important to her calculations. So vaccines are one very important part of the picture, but there are other parts as well. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The last restriction which is a recommendation, actually, that there be no nonessential travel  and a number of jurisdictions have now published what their summers look like, what their summers look like based on vaccine descriptions. We're talking about a travel bubble. And I know that this is a problem for our senior management who have been directed not to travel. It's a problem for many teachers and nurses who want to be role models but are struggling that they have not seen family members in almost two years now, Mr. Speaker.

So my question is does the Minister of Health expect there to be any change to the recommendation that people do not take nonessential travel. Perhaps if they're fully vaccinated, they could return, but take a nonessential trip. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the fact is we're not locked down here. Members of this House have travelled during the time that nonessential travel has not been recommended.

Just for your information, 48,183 selfisolation plans have been approved. So it's not really true to say that people are stuck here. People have made the choice to travel. And as of April 21st, the isolation time has been reduced.

So I can say that I cannot say when the Chief Public Health Officer will consider that conditions are right to lift her both restrictions, actually, or guidance. The one is travel inside and outside of Yellowknife is not recommended at this time, and the second one is interprovincial travel is not recommended at this time. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Nunakput.

Oral Question 723-19(2): COVID-19 Mental Health and Fatique

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I've been talking about mental health and COVID fatigue in our up back home in the Delta and my riding in Nunakput. Mr. Speaker, what funding and available support do we have for our local community governments that are able to provide with gatherings organized for youth, and is there any funding available, and is there a list that the senior administrative officer or the hamlets could get sent to them for the communities to access funding under the COVID19 fatigue in that community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.