Debates of May 28, 2021 (day 75)

Date
May
28
2021
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
75
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. O'Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek
Topics
Statements
Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Minister responsible for Health and Social Services.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we do not have a pot of funding that is designated to COVID fatigue, but we do offer a suite of funds to deal with health and wellness, including ontheland funding, peer support, suicide prevention. We have counsellors who are resident in Tuktoyaktuk, and they are able to offer sameday appointments. We have apps for people to use who are experiencing anxiety and depression, parenting problems, and so on.

I realize that may not be very helpful in communities with slow internet connections. But we do have this range of funding available. And it's my understanding as well that there was funding provided by the federal government to Indigenous governments related to COVID.

So I can certainly find out or create a list for the Member to share with his SAOs, that there is quite a range of things that are available. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for that, Madam Minister. What support services we have been made available to support mental health to our elders in our communities, I have one she says I have one in Tuk, but I think he was he left Tuk, and he's in Behchoko now, serving there.

But the biggest thing is the small communities, Sachs Harbour, Paulatuk, and Ulu. We have the services that are required there need internet. If you're using the apps and stuff like that, it's slow service. What's being made available, I guess, for inperson? Like I asked earlier this year, if teams could go in, help teams.

The biggest thing I think what we're looking for too is a community navigator appointed by the COVID Secretariat to see if we could use somebody in that position to help assist the communities and the people. Is that available? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the Member for Nunakput previously asked for a mental health team to go to his community, it went to his community in the last week of March, the last week that we were sitting prior to this sitting. So, certainly, the department is able to provide inperson mental health supports.

I'm not sure if they can do that again. It's something that I can request. I can say in the meantime, as long as people have a phone, they can get telephone counselling, which is not the same as persontoperson but is better than nothing by a long shot. You still have a professional on the other end of the phone.

So if the person doesn't have a phone in their house, they can go to the health centre and request the use of the phone for a counselling appointment, and the health centre will accommodate people in that service. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that. Again, I mean we're really thankful when we're getting help sent in, and that is so much required. But we do need a community navigator to work with our communities to help community's residents navigate public health orders to uncover funding, the funding programs that will ensure the small communities can have as much social activity and gatherings as possible during this pandemic.

So is there any availability to have, like, a community public navigator appointed like we have sitting in Inuvik with the COVID police or COVID Secretariat? So is there somebody available that we could appoint to Tuk maybe working with the department working with the Premier that could do something like that? Is that available for the outlying communities as well? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't think there is a position that is specifically about navigating public health orders. Although, of course, people who work in public health in Tuk and in Inuvik would be able to talk to the public health orders, what they mean, and answer questions about them. So that certainly is possible. In terms of appointing someone brand new to a position in Tuktoyaktuk, that would really need to be a budget consideration. And so I invite the Member to forward that when the time comes. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, will the GNWT, through the resources on COVID Secretariat, identify staff persons and appoint existing staff, I guess in the community, that are going into Tuk and doing their jobs and appoint somebody from there to assist the SAO and just on the public health orders to access funding services to ensure all small communities can have the social gatherings and social activities that are so desperately required for health and well being of the people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I hear the Member's desire to have more social activity in his community, and I appreciate that people are feeling cooped up, and they're ready to move on from this experience.

I can certainly ask the department if there is someone there or somebody in the health authority who can reach out to the SAO and go over what the possibilities are for funding in the area that the Member has indicated. So I'll make sure that that happens. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Hay River South.

Oral Question 724-19(2): Flood Assistance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Questions for the Minister of MACA. Can the Minister confirm how much financial assistance in terms of a cheque or cash has been paid out to individuals that have been impacted by the flooding. As it's been almost two weeks now, and I'm just wondering, you know, how much action with respect to payments that we have seen. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Hay River South. Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know the Territory is quite anxious to see, you know, the response of what the department has been providing to the community of Fort Simpson. The Housing Corporation and Municipal and Community Affairs have just returned back from the community. We have followed up on a conversation this morning, and we are further to determine that about 43 houses have been affected in the community as well.

And looking at financial supports for that community, we have been working very closely as well and taking care of the hotel financial obligation for that community. MACA is taking care of those residents there.

And also looking at further assistance as well, we are really heavily dependent on the assessment that's going to be able to determine what needs are going to be provided for that community.

As of today, the only financial assistance that has been provided to the community is the support from the Department, both MACA and Housing, and also providing the accommodations for the residents that have been affected by the flood. The residents are currently now still in the hotels in Fort Providence and in Fort Simpson. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister confirm how much money her department has set aside or identified to assist immediately with financial support to the victims that are in dire need of it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like I had said, we are waiting on the assessment to be completed. But in the meantime, we are providing that support to the communities and looking at their home and their housing repair, which is the priority right now. We will be keeping the Members and my colleagues updated as we go forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I thank the Minister for that response, you know, and I guess what I'm after is I want to know, you know, if that the people are being looked after for immediate needs right now, because I know that many of them have probably, you know, used up whatever funds they had just, you know, leaving their home. There's always a cost associated with it.

I'd also ask the Minister if she can confirm how long her department is with assessments or has it even started on the buildings. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have a lot of I guess maybe a conversation about the assessment, who conducts the assessment, who is going to be responsible for the assessment. The communities have reached out as well in wanting to conduct their own.

Right now, MACA has hired a northern company that will be getting into Fort Simpson on Wednesday and Thursday, both Simpson and Jean Marie River, of this week. And once I'm provided those further details, I will follow up with the Member and with my colleagues as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary. Member for Hay River South.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There's been a number of organizations raising money for the victims of the flooding. I think we've had Red Cross and United Way and individuals as well through GoFundMe pages.

Has the Minister been in contact with any of these groups or individuals to confirm, you know, how much money has been raised and how it will be dispersed and just to coordinate with what her department's doing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is correct that there has been a lot of donations that have been provided to the community. We have not tallied up those numbers yet and outreaching to the organizations that are helping to support the community. I will have to get back to the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Written Questions

Written Question 30-19(2): Self-Isolation Exemptions

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. As we are over one calendar year into the COVID19 pandemic, can the Minister provide a copy of the exemption policy document used to guide selfisolation exemption decisions, and the number of exemptions per week for the last three months, the category for grounds for exemptions, the percentage breakdown between exemptions granted to residents versus nonresidents, and the percentage of exemptions granted for personal versus essential versus commercial purposes. Thank you.

Reports of Standing and Special Committee

Committee Report 13-19(2): Report on the Review of the 2019-2020 Northwest Territories Ombud Annual Report

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Standing Committee on Government Operations report on the review of the 20192020 Northwest Territories Ombud Annual Report.

The Standing Committee on Government Operations has reviewed the 20192020 Annual Report of the Northwest Territories Ombud. The committee thanks Ms. Colette Langlois, Northwest Territories' Ombud, for her appearance before the Committee on December the 9th, 2020.

The Ombud is a statutory officer of the Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly under the Ombud Act. The Ombud investigates complaints from people who feel they have been treated unfairly by territorial authorities. The Ombud’s role is to find fair solutions and improve the delivery of government services.

The Ombud Act requires the Ombud to prepare annual reports on the activities of the Ombud’s office. This includes the number of inquiries and complaints received. The Speaker tables the report in the Legislative Assembly. Once tabled, Committee reviews the report. The 20192020 annual report is the first report since the appointment of the Northwest Territories’ first Ombud in April 2019.

In her report, the Ombud highlights the activities of setting up a new Ombud office in Hay River, informs on investigations and public outreach, and makes recommendations. In this review, Committee discusses and responds to the Ombud’s recommendations.

I will now turn it over to MLA Johnson to further carry on the report.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Member for Yellowknife North.

The Ombud recommends expanding the current schedule of authorities over which the Ombud has power to investigate. The Ombud specifically draws the committee's attention to the wording found in Yukon Ombudsman Act. In a previous discussion with the Ombud, it was noticed that while she has the power to investigate housing authorities, this does not include housing associations. The committee looked at other Ombud legislation in other jurisdictions. The committee agrees that the NWT Ombud should have power to look into more authorities.

Therefore, the Committee recommends:

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the definition of "authorities" and the schedule to be amended to use language similar to that found in the Ombudsman Act (Yukon) and that a further subclauses expressly include Housing Associations as established under their Societies Act.

The Ombud recommends that the Human Rights Commission and its agencies should fall under her jurisdiction to investigate complaints. The Law Clerk advised that the wording proposed in Recommendation 1 would include the Human Rights Commission. No further action is needed to advance this recommendation.

The Ombud recommends that the reference to "judicial review" be removed from Section 17 of the Act. She considers the term confusing in the current context. Her concern is that the section could be interpreted to mean that the Ombud always must wait 30 days before being allowed to investigate and that any administrative decision, action, or omission is subject to a potential judicial review.

The other is to remove from Section 17(2) of the Act. This section allows the Ombud to use her discretion to investigate, if she finds it unreasonable to expect the complainant to pursue any of the other available options.

The committee sought the advice of the Law Clerk. The Law Clerk advised that the Ombud is considered an office of last resort, and this section is likely to prevent the Ombud from investigating where other avenues of appeal have not been used. However, Section 17(2) provides the Ombud the ability to waive this requirement, if in her judgement, it would be unreasonable. The committee feels that it is important for the Ombud to have this discretion, even if it would be rarely used.

The Ombud states that she was unable to look into a small number of cases because they predate the beginning of the Ombud’s authority on January 1, 2016. The Committee agrees that the Ombud shouldn’t have to decline complaints from 6 years ago, while being able to investigate complaints from 5 years ago. The Committee discussed how to address this, and was advised by the Law Clerk that the Act should specify a date on which the Ombud’s powers begin. 

The Committee finds that April 1, 1999, is an appropriate date as it is also the date on which the modern Northwest Territories came into being. Further, the Committee also identifies the need for a provision allowing the Ombud to investigate fully any complaint that may have files prior to that date.

Consequently, the committee recommends:

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that section 17(3) be amended to April 1, 1999, and further that a new subclause be included that notwithstanding the temporal restriction, if a complaint has records prior to this date, the Ombud has the discretion to investigate the complaint in full.

Mr. Speaker, I'll now pass this over to MLA Cleveland.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Member for Kam Lake.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Ombud's sixth recommendation is to remove the restriction to investigate the director of Human Rights Commission under Section 23. The Committee agrees.

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that Section 23 be amended to remove the reference to the Director of Human Rights, and further that the reference to the Conflict of Interest Commissioner be amended to Integrity Commissioner.

In the 20192020 annual report, the Ombud makes several recommendations to address procedural issues around the Ombud’s jurisdiction to investigate complaints.

Currently, the Ombud is allowed to stop investigating a complaint if an alternate remedy or appeal is available. The Ombud recommends broadening this authority so that it applies also before an investigation begins. Making this change would allow the Ombud to refuse to start an investigation if she becomes aware of an adequate alternate remedy or right of appeal.

I'm on page 4 of 7. I'm reading my highlighted portion. Would you like me to continue, Mr. Speaker? Okay.

The Ombud recommends broadening this authority so that it also applies before an investigation begins. Making this change would allow the Ombud to refuse to start an investigation if she becomes aware of an adequate alternate remedy or right of appeal.

The committee had the Law Clerk review this recommendation. Because the Ombud is an office of last resort, a complainant must use all other remedies available before going to the Ombud. As noted earlier in this report, the Ombud has the discretion to investigate if she determines that it would be unreasonable for a complainant to use those remedies.

The committee notes that such a decision is proactive, and it is unlikely that there would be a case where the Ombud would not know about available remedies prior to opening an investigation. This clause is to allow the Ombud to close an investigation if it is found during the investigation that an available remedy wasn't pursued and should have been. The Committee feels that this clause should remain as it is.

In recommendation 8, the Ombud suggests to remove requirement of notification. She notes that the wording of Clause 22(2) may be interpreted to require notification to an authority whenever the Ombud refuses to investigate a complaint. The Ombud noted that this would be timeconsuming and generally inappropriate, as many issues are resolved before needing to contact an authority in the first place. The committee agrees, and therefore recommends

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that Section 22(2) be amended to only require notice to an authority of a refusal to investigate in the event that notice had already been provided to that authority that an investigation will take place under Section 24.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would like it pass it off to MLA Bonnetrouge.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Member for Deh Cho.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

The Ombud's ninth recommendation proposes to remove potential barriers to investigating complaints where written consent to disclose personal information is required under other legislation.

The Ombud highlights the wording in Saskatchewan's Ombudsman Act as an example of what could address this potential barrier. The Law Clerk advised that the Saskatchewan act gives their Ombud extremely broad powers to compel information and would allow Child and Family Services information to be released without consent.

The committee has concerns about information being released without consent and is not prepared to make a recommendation at this time. The committee invites the Ombud to provide additional information in the next annual report for consideration on this issue.

The next recommendation of the Ombud deals with public servants providing information to the Ombud voluntarily. The Ombud states: Section 30 of the act provides that no person is liable for prosecution for an offence for complying with a requirement of the Ombud. While this protects authorities and public servants who are required to provide information in the course of an investigation, it would not protect authorities and public servants who are requested to provide information in the course of an early resolution process.

The Ombud flags that on a few occasions a formal investigation was started where an informal process may have resolved the issue to ensure that Section 30 applied.

The committee asked the Law Clerk for advice. The legal advice provided to committee indicates that Section 30 is not limited to formal investigations. Section 15.4 of the act says the Ombud may try to resolve any problem raised in a complaint through the use of negotiation, conciliation, mediation, or any nonadversarial approaches. Section 30 protects public servants from liability when complying with any requirement of the Ombud under this act.

The committee interprets this to mean any formal or informal process as initiated by the Ombud. The committee invites the Ombud to report in this area again if the early resolution process is being hindered by the public servants being reluctant to comply with requests for information prior to the formal investigation stage. Mr. Speaker, I will now turn this over to MLA Semmler. Mahsi.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Deh Cho. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Ombud has flagged a potential gap where information provided by the Ombud to a department or agency as part of an investigation could be disclosed by that department. The Ombud has recommended that any information originated with the Office of the Ombud must be kept confidential.

The committee agrees that information from the Ombud should remain confidential, and therefore recommends:

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that Section 25 be amended to specifically impose an obligation on anyone receiving confidential information from the Office of the Ombud to maintain the privacy of that information, notwithstanding any other legislation.

The Ombud's twelfth recommendation centers on the requirement for the Ombud to follow administrative policies of the Clerk when making policies and procedures for handling the complaint received in the Ombud Office. The Ombud states that this requirement is inconsistent with the independence of her office.

The committee reviewed the Hansard debate on the Ombud Act and notes that this section was included to address concerns raised by the Tlicho Government that they should be notified in the event of any investigation involving the Tlicho Community Service Agency. The House passed a motion calling on the Office of the Clerk to work with the Ombud to establish appropriate procedures to advise the Tlicho Government in the event that an investigation on the Tlicho Community Service Agency.

The committee appreciates the Ombud's concerns over the wording of the clause, and therefore recommends

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that Clause 24(1) be amended to explicitly provide for notice to be provided to the Tlicho Government or any equivalent agency established by an Indigenous Government, further, that Section 33(1) be amended to include a reference to, where applicable, the Indigenous Government referenced in Section 24(1).

The Ombud next recommended that the term "authority" be changed to something more recognizable to the public. The committee notes that the legal terminology is often not in plain language; however, there are usually specific reasons for the use of the specific term.

The committee encourages the Ombud to continue her commendable public education efforts on the role of her office and which departments and agency her office can investigate.

The Ombud's final recommendation is to address awkward wording in Clause 15(1). The committee notes that this clause was the source of considerable debate in the act was being debated, with all parties acknowledging that the wording was problematic. However, no agreement could be reached on how best to fix it.

I'd like to hand it over to Ms. Martselos.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. Member for Thebacha.

The committee carefully reviewed each motion that was introduced in the 18th Assembly and has decided that the motion moved by the then Committee Chair is the preferable one and therefore makes the following recommendation,

The Standing Committee on Government Operation recommends that Clause 15(1) be amended to read: 15(1): The mandate of the Ombud is to investigate any decision, recommendation made, or any act done or omitted by an authority or by any officer, employee or a member of an authority in the exercise of any power or duty conferred on that person or body by any enactment that (a) relates to a matter or administration or the implementation of a policy; and (b) aggrieves or may aggrieve any person or body of persons in the person’s or in its personal capacity.

This concludes the Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the NWT Ombud 20192020 Annual Report.

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories provide a response to the recommendations contained in this report within 120 days.

Motion to Receive Committee Report 13-19(2) and move into Committee of the Whole, Carried

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Motions in order to the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour. All those opposed. Any abstentions. The motion is carried.

---Carried

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

The report will be moved into the Committee of the Whole.

Tabling of Documents

Tabled Document 408-19(2): 2020-2021 Annual Report OROGO - NWT Office of the Regulator for Oil and Gas Operations

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document: Office of the Regulator for Oil and Gas Operations 20202021 Annual Report. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Tabling of documents. Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources.

Tabled Document 409-19(2): Environmental Rights Act Annual Report 2020-2021

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the follow document entitled, Environmental Rights Act Annual Report 20202021. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Tabling of documents. Minister Responsible Municipal and Community Affairs.

Tabled Document 410-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 702-19(2): Flooding in Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document: Follow-up Letter for Oral Questions 70219(2) Flooding in Hay River. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Notices of Motion for the First Reading of Bills

Bill 30: An Act to Amend the Aurora College Act

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Tuesday, June 1st, 2021, I will move that Bill 30, an act to amend the Aurora College Act, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.