Debates of February 9, 2024 (day 5)

Date
February
9
2024
Session
20th Assembly, 1st Session
Day
5
Speaker
Members Present
Hon. Caitlin Cleveland, Mr. Edjericon, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Lucy Kuptana, Hon. Jay MacDonald, Hon. Vince McKay, Mr. McNeely, Ms. Morgan, Mr. Morse, Mr. Nerysoo, Ms. Reid, Mr. Rodgers, Hon. Lesa Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Mrs. Weyallon Armstrong, Mrs. Yakelaya
Topics
Statements
Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Health and Social Services. Final supplementary. Member from Yellowknife Centre.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the issues the Minister raised herself specifically in one of the questions was accessibility to land, and we had we cannot let that pass without questioning what does that actually mean? Does the department have access to the full land that they intend to put the project on, or is there a further complication the public, including myself, am not aware of? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with that question I'll have to get back to the Member. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services. Oral questions. Member from Frame Lake.

Question 48-20(1):

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the housing Minister. First off, why is maintenance chronically underfunded? I'm curious to know what circumstances caused this challenge so we can better understand it as we're priority setting. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member from Frame Lake. Minister of Housing NWT.

(audio) maintenance with housing units is not chronically underfunded. We do have a budget for maintenance. It's throughout the Northwest Territories. A lot of times what we're finding is with timelines and entry into housing units, it sometimes crosses wires where the maintenance doesn't get done and we have to follow up with the tenants. We do have a budget. It is in place year after year. Sometimes that maintenance issue is pushed forward, but we do try our best to get the unit maintained to a safe manner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Another question I have about Housing NWT is why do we cap the number of units in a community? And to give an example, Mr. Speaker, the Minister announced that the 50unit project in Yellowknife, which I'm very excited about, but that won't actually result in more units of NWT Housing units in the community. So I'm curious to hear from the Minister why that is.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Why we cap the number of units in a community, most proposals and most funds from the federal government are provided by proposal. Unlike the Indigenous governments, we don't have actual distinctionbased funding where a lump sum is provided to the government. Sometimes we're fortunate as a government to be able to be provided some funds, but most funds provided to this government are provided for specific projects. There's no need to cap projects or cap units or cap communities. It's based on needs. It's based on waiting lists, like the waiting list in Yellowknife. We have 330 people on the waiting list here in Yellowknife. We're providing what we can. We have over 330 units in Yellowknife. We do lease in Yellowknife to provide some of that stop gap between people waiting on the waiting list, but there's no intention to cap, and we do what we can with the funds that are provided. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you to the Minister for the answers. So just coming back to the Minister's answer to my first question, I mean, it seems to me when I say chronically underfunded, what I'm speaking to is I'm constantly hearing from constituents, and the situation I've seen from myself, is that it seems like we don't have the means to maintain our stock. So I would just ask the Minister directly, I mean do we not need to increase funding in order to stabilize the capital budget to continue building and repairing units in the territory? Thanks, Mr. Speaker.

I'm just going to put my earpiece thank you, Mr. Speaker. Absolutely, I would love the support of this House to increase the maintenance budget for housing units across the North. There is so much work to be done. I mean, throughout the campaign, everyone was knocking on doors. We all know the conditions of homes in the North, and we know that there's a lot of work to do. And if we can do that as a House in our priorities and planning session, absolutely, let's look at that and let's increase that budget. But, again, like the finance Minister says, we're in a fiscal restraint and we have to be careful of where we're committing to at this point, but let's have that discussion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Minister of Housing NWT. Final supplementary. Oral questions. Member from Yellowknife Centre.

Question 49-20(1): Yellowknife Aspen Apartments

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last summer, in June of 2023 that is, Canada supported one of the housing projects here in Yellowknife, and it's called the Aspen Apartments. It will provide 36 permanent units, homes that is, for families.

Mr. Speaker, noting what the Minister had just said about 330 people on the waiting list and how slow it is to get on that list, and it appears to be a chronic problem, where is the current state of this particular project and when can we expect them to be putting families into homes? Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre. Two questions, but I'll turn to the Minister for Housing NWT.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the Aspen Apartments, the 36unit here in Yellowknife that Housing NWT recently acquired, according to the updates from Housing NWT it's going to take up to 24 months to get them housed and to have tenants in the apartment building. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as a former employee with the department of public works for the government, I actually helped do projects in that building. Many of us in this room, you know, maybe even some Cabinet folks, will remember the crisis that happened to the YWCA where one of their buildings burnt down and they were able to facilitate to let people move into that place even for about a year. So, Mr. Speaker and there were other opportunities. What is so dangerous to that building that we couldn't do a phased move in and a phased repair to ensure people and families are safely living in an environment that they can be rather than at risk or sitting waiting at risk on the 330 waiting list? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had an opportunity to visit the YWCA and to look at their new unit and new building, and it was amazing. At the end of the day, the service that they provide and the programs they provide, I'm so happy to see that type of facility here in Yellowknife.

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Speaker. And on that point, across the North, as the Minister said, there's homes sitting being heated and families not accessible throughout the territory, and the Minister knows this.

Mr. Speaker, my next question is specific to the units. Is there a way to develop a program that builds pride and we'll call it theoretic ownership into this? In other words, is there a way to get families involved in the project? And when I'm saying involved, I mean like painting rooms and being involved in that stuff. The moment you get clients building some type of relationship with where they live, they build a personal ownership and hence there's a ripple effect of pride and taking care of the place.

So would the Minister, as I'm getting at, is would she be able to look at seeing if there's any way to get these social clients who will be moving into involved in the project? So, you know, when they know it's their home, they feel it's an investment into their future as well. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I could understand where the Member's coming from, pride in our home is very, very important and investing into that home is important as well. I don't know if there's a way but I can find out if there's a way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister of Housing NWT. Oral questions. Member from Monfwi.

Question 50-20(1): Expansion of Snare Hydro System to Tlicho Communities

(audio) this is for the infrastructure. I want to ask the Minister, has the GNWT advanced any discussions with the Tlicho government to explore how another successful P3 partnership could support the development of stable, secure energy to the community of Whati, Gameti, and Wekweeti? Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member from Monfwi. Minister of Infrastructure.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there's a number of different conversations happening both between the Government of the Northwest Territories as well as the Northwest Territories Power Corporation along with the Tlicho government. I make note, firstly, that we were all at Roundup together recently, both the Department of Infrastructure and, I think for the first time ever, the CEO of the power corporation also has attended, as did representatives of the Tlicho government, including the grand chief, and it was a very good opportunity to, I think, begin to advance some of these discussions that I know there is a lot of eagerness to. There's a lot of interesting ideas coming out of Tlicho region. They're theirs to show, not mine. But they present all kind of interesting opportunities and we want to be there to be partners, we want to work with them. I'm glad the Member mentioned the Tlicho Highway. It is now an internationally award-winning project that they have, and this is a chance to really to see further advancements.

So, yes, I mean I suppose I could just say yes, Mr. Speaker, but I do want to emphasize that there's a lot of opportunity and a lot of discussions, and it's incumbent on us to make sure that they move them along quickly. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Minister of Infrastructure. Member from Monfwi.

(audio) willingness to work with Indigenous government and the communities because there's a lot of communities out there that are in the same situation. So it's just more of a comment. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Member from the Sahtu.

Question 51-20(1): Invitation to Visit Sahtu Communities regarding Land Tenure

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today, my final question is to the Minister of ECC. Will the Minister work with my office in conjunction with the Housing NWT to look at dates of convenience for the remaining last month of the winter road season for a Sahtu tour to discuss land tenure? Mahsi.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member from the Sahtu. Land tenure, ECC Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you, Member, for the question. I certainly will speak with my staff and ensure that we provide you with the opportunity to have that conversation. Thank you.

Written Questions

Written Question 1-20(1): Carbon Tax Revenues and Rebates

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Finance.

What is the total net revenue from carbon pricing in the Northwest Territories since 2019;

What is the total amount of carbon tax rebates remitted to large emitters in the resource sector in the Northwest Territories since 2019;

What is the total amount of carbon tax rebates remitted to Northwest Territories residents through cost of living offset (COLO) payments since 2019;

What is the total amount of carbon tax revenue that has been shared with Northwest Territories communities through grants since 2019; and,

What is the difference in carbon tax rebates between an average household in the Northwest Territories using diesel for home heating and the same household using propane, natural gas, or any other fuel, after the proposed carbon tax exemption for diesel heating fuels is implemented after April 1, 2024?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabling of Documents

Tabled Document 17-20(1): Northwest Territories Coroner Service 2022 Annual Report

Tabled Document 18-20(1): 34th Annual Report 2022-2023 Victims Assistance Committee of the Northwest Territories

Tabled Document 19-20(1): Administration of the Northwest Territories Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act Annual Report 2022-2023

Tabled Document 20-20(1): Department of Justice Corrections Service Annual Report 2022-2023

Tabled Document 21-20(1): Northwest Territories Law Foundation 40th Annual Report for the Period Ending June 30, 2022

Tabled Document 22-20(1): Legal Aid Commission of the Northwest Territories Annual Report 2022-2023

Tabled Document 23-20(1): Annual Report on the Activities of the Rental Officer - April 1, 2022 to March 31, 2023

Tabled Document 24-20(1): Territorial Police Service Agreement - RCMP Annual Report (2022-2023)

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following eight documents: Northwest Territories Coroner Service 2022 Annual Report; 34th Annual Report 20222023 Victims Assistance Committee of the Northwest Territories; Administration of the Northwest Territories Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act Annual Report 20222023; Department of Justice Corrections Service Annual Report 20222023; Northwest Territories Law Foundation 40th Annual Report for the Period Ending June 30, 2022; Legal Aid Commission of the Northwest Territories Annual Report 20222023; Annual Report on the Activities of the Rental Officer April 1, 2022 to March 31, 2023; and Territorial Police Service Agreement RCMP Annual Report 20222023. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Tabling of documents. Minister responsible for WSCC.

Tabled Document 25-20(1): Northwest Territories and Nunavut Workers’ Compensation Appeals Tribunal 2022 Annual Report

Tabled Document 26-20(1): Workers’ Safety and Compensation Commission Annual Report 2022 - Northwest Territories and Nunavut

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following two documents: The Northwest Territories and Nunavut Workers' Compensation Appeal Tribunal 2022 Annual Report; and the Workers' Safety and Compensation Commission Annual Report 2022 Northwest Territories and Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Minister responsible for WSCC. Tabling of documents. Notices of motion. Colleagues, we will take a brief break and give the interpreters a bit of a break, and then we'll bring it back to finish. Thank you.

BRIEF RECESS