Debates of May 30, 2024 (day 19)

Date
May
30
2024
Session
20th Assembly, 1st Session
Day
19
Speaker
Members Present
Hon. Caitlin Cleveland, Mr. Edjericon, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Lucy Kuptana, Hon. Jay Macdonald, Hon. Vince McKay, Mr. McNeely, Ms. Morgan, Mr. Morse, Mr. Nerysoo, Ms. Reid, Mr. Rodgers, Hon. Lesa Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Mrs. Weyallon Armstrong, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Mrs. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements
Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services. Oral questions. Member from Yellowknife Centre.

Question 225-20(1): Cabinet Process and Policy for Responses to Oral Questions

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Premier. When I was first elected, I quickly realized how little I knew in the context of government policy and process, and it's certainly a long journey. But since coming back to this Assembly, I notice there seems to be a theme which is Members are asked, either by Ministers or Minister assistants, to supply questions in advance. I'm asking the Premier specifically, is it a mandate position or an expectation in the Simpson government that Members would supply questions in advance to the Ministers? Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Colleagues, before the Premier answers, it's the Government of the Northwest Territories, it's not specific persons/individuals. So please rely on the Government of the Northwest Territories for future questioning.

Thank you. Mr. Premier.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And no, that is not the policy. It is just the way that we like to do business is by cooperating and communicating. And for the past eight years as I've been an MLA, that has been common practice. In the last government, the Regular Members would actually share the at least the titles of their Member's statements and their questions with Cabinet early in the morning. So it's just we're just all trying to get along here, and we want to make sure that when Members have questions that, as Cabinet, we can provide good answers. We don't know everything, all the ins and outs of all of our departments. It's not all on the tip of our tongue or at the top of our mind. Sometimes we'll need to go and read a briefing note to refresh our memory about something that maybe we haven't dealt with in a couple weeks or a couple months. And so the rationale behind asking a Member, hey, what are you going to be asking me today, is so that we can come back, do our homework, and give good answers for the Members and for the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And hearing the Premier's answer, which I thank him for, because I didn't give him notice I was asking these questions, but that said it sounds like there's an expectation that Members are here to set Ministers up so they look really good. Is that a fact? Or are Ministers expected to know their departments with some fullness of effort? Thank you.

Thank you. And I'm not sure what the Member was listening to, but I never said that the Members are here to set us up to make us look good. There is an expectation that Ministers do know their portfolios. Here in the Northwest Territories, we have a relatively small Cabinet yet we still are expected to deliver all of the programs and services in all of the same areas that they do in other places in Canada where they might have 10, 20, or 30 Cabinet Ministers. I personally, in the last government, I think I had 14 or 15 different FPT tables that I sat at that's federal, provincial, and territorial tables, whereas that's pretty uncommon across Canada. In the smaller jurisdictions, it is a bit more common but there is a lot to know. And while there is an expectation that Cabinet does have a good grasp on their portfolio, I don't think it's reasonable to expect the Ministers to have a photographic memory for each of their policies, each of the pieces of legislation that they're responsible for, every staff that the department produces. And so if the Members don't want to provide questions, that's their right. I've never hounded any Member for their questions. If a Member says I'm not going to let you know what my questions are, that's fine. We come to the House, and we give the best answers that we can. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we all know, questions are to illuminate information, probe concerns, and chase down individual details, and there's a reasonable expectation that certain information cannot be at the tip of the Ministers' fingers. So, Mr. Speaker, I just want to clarify one more time on the record, is there any type of informal impression that the government will take if a Member not informal or actually now I'm trying to qualify this in a way is there any sort of backlash or negative response or attitude from the government if a Member chooses not to proceed that because sometimes questions come on the fly, and initiatives need to be raised in the context they're presented, so I just want to make sure Members are not prejudiced in some form. If the Premier could clarify that in some way. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There's no hard feelings if Members don't want to provide questions in advance or give Ministers a heads up about what they might be speaking about. Since my very first day as an MLA, I've been very strong on the topic of MLA independence. As a Regular Member or as an MLA representing my constituents, I don't allow anyone to tell me what to do except my constituents. And I'm not telling the Regular Members what to do, and if I tried I wouldn't expect them to listen to me. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Final supplementary. Oral questions. Colleagues, looking at the time, we will have a brief recess to give our translators a break, and then we'll come back to continue our business. Thank you.

SHORT RECESS

Written Questions

Written Question 6-20(1): Agency Nurses

Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services.

How many agency nurse contracts have been utilized since 2021 by individual nurse;

How many agency nurse contracts have been utilized since 2021 by contracting agency;

How many agency nurse contracts have been utilized to support community health centres and Northwest Territories Health and Social Services Authority operations outside of hospitals in Yellowknife, Inuvik, and Hay River since 2021; and

How many individual agency nurse contracts are represented by the $4.4 million expenditure on agency nurses in fiscal year 20232024?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabling of Documents

Tabled Document 104-20(1): Report on Departmental Indigenous Employment Plans Results 2022/2023

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document: Report on Departmental Indigenous Employment Plans Results 2022/2023. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Minister of Health and Social Services.

Tabled Document 105-20(1): Follow-up Letter to Oral Question 59-20(1): Retention Strategies for Healthcare Professionals

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document: Followup Letter for Oral Question 5920(1): Retention Strategies for Health Care Professionals. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services. Tabling of documents. Member from Yellowknife Centre.

Tabled Document 106-20(1): Advocate for Persons with Disabilities Act, Statutes of Alberta, 2017, Chapter A-5.5, Current as of October 30, 2018

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table a document. It's called Advocates for the Persons with Disabilities Act. It's from the province of Alberta. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre. Tabling of documents.

Tabled Document 107-20(1): NWT Legislative Assembly Pension Plans Annual Report at March 31, 2023

Tabled Document 108-20(1): Pension Administration Report – The Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly Retiring Allowances Act and Supplementary Retiring Allowances Act, as march 31, 2023

Notices of Motion

Motion 28-20(1): Consideration for Elders and Seniors in Debt Elimination

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Consideration for elders and seniors in debt elimination. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Tuesday, June 4th, 2024, I will move the following motion:

Now therefore I move, seconded by the Member for Tu NedheWiilideh, that the Government of the Northwest Territories revise the Financial Administration Manual and related policies on the elimination of debt to provide specific provisions for forgiveness of debt owed to the Government of the Northwest Territories or public agency for elders and seniors who are 60 years of age and older;

And further, that the Government of the Northwest Territories review and revise the Financial Administration Manual and policies to define how it will measure and assess unreasonable or unjust financial hardship on elders and seniors;

And furthermore, that the Government of the Northwest Territories review and revise the Financial Administration Manual and policies to ensure that elders and seniors who are on fixed incomes are not forced into undue financial hardship to pay debt to the Government of the Northwest Territories;

And furthermore, that the government respond to this motion within 120 days.

Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Monfwi. Notices of motion. Member from Range Lake.

Motion 29-20(1): Municipal Block Land Transfer

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Wednesday, June 5th, 2024, I will move the following motion:

Now therefore I move, seconded by the Member for Frame Lake, that the Government of the Northwest Territories complete the block land transfer of land to communities within municipal and community boundaries without delay;

And further, that the Government of the Northwest Territories remove requirements from communities that are impeding this transfer, such as the requirement for surveying, community zoning and bylaw development for land that is under Government of the Northwest Territories authority;

And furthermore, that the Government of the Northwest Territories remove internal impediments that are delaying the efficient transfer of lands within municipal and community boundaries;

And furthermore, that the Government of the Northwest Territories provide public updates on the status of block land transfer to communities;

And furthermore, that the government respond to this motion within 120 days.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member from Range Lake. Notices of motion. Member from Tu NedheWiilideh.

Motion 30-20(1): Maintaining Northwest Territories’ Housing Stock

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Wednesday, June 5th, 2024, I will move the following motion:

Now therefore I move, second by the Member for Yellowknife North, that the Government of the Northwest Territories immediately provide funding grants to Indigenous governments that wish to complete home inspections in their region;

And further, that the Government of the Northwest Territories provide financial support to Indigenous governments to assist in data collection to support opportunities to leverage federal government funding;

And furthermore, that the Government of the Northwest Territories provide the funding to the Indigenous governments in alignment with the mandate of the 20th Assembly to secure sustainable financial resources for housing programs and projects;

And furthermore, to facilitate this financial support, the Government of the Northwest Territories enter into a Memoranda of Understanding with all interested Indigenous governments and bring forward necessary appropriations by the end of the 20242025 fiscal year;

And furthermore, that the Government of the Northwest Territories respond to this motion within 120 days.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motions

Motion 27-20(1): Reappointment of Human Rights Commission Members, Carried

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

WHEREAS section 16.(2) of the Human Rights Act provides that the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission is comprised of such members, between three and five in number as may be appointed by the Commissioner on the recommendation of the Legislative Assembly;

AND WHEREAS there will be three vacancies on the NWT Human Rights Commission as of June 8, 2024;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Kam Lake, that the Legislative Assembly recommend the reappointment of the following individuals to the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission:

Ms. Marion Berls, of the Town of Fort Smith, for a term of four years; and

Mr. Charles Dent, of the City of Yellowknife, for a term of four years;

AND FURTHER, that the Speaker be authorized to communicate the effective date of these appointments to the Commissioner.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre. The motion's in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Question has been called. All those in favour? Opposed? Abstained? Motion passed.

Carried

Motions. Notices of motion for the first reading of bills. First reading of bills. Second reading of bills.

Colleagues, by the authority given to me as Speaker under Rule 2.2(4), I hereby authorize the House to sit beyond the daily hours of adjournment to consider the business of the House.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

I now call Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of committee? Member from Inuvik Boot Lake.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, the committee wishes to consider Tabled Document 9320(1), 20242025 Main Estimates, and consideration of the Department of Justice and the Department of Health and Social Services. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. We will proceed with the first item.

Members, we have agreed to review Tabled Document 9320(1), Department of Justice. We will resume with key activities, corrections, starting on page 306. Does the Minister of Justice wish to bring witnesses into the House?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Sergeantatarms, please escort the witnesses into the chambers. Thank you. Would the Minister please introduce his witnesses, please.