Debates of October 17, 2024 (day 28)

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Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Our condolences go out to his family and friends. Beautiful Member's statement. Thank you. Members' statements.

Member’s Statement 332-20(1): Celebration of Life for Bob Hanna

Good afternoon, colleagues. Robert Earl Hanna was born in the Hanna farmhouse on February 7th, 1938. The farm is located outside the village of Port Maitland, Ontario. He was the eldest of 4 children to Earl and Marion Hanna.

During his celebration of life, a couple of stories had us laughing, like the time he tried to cut a hole in his bedroom closet to make a secret passage to sneak out. His brother Larry told on him, which put a stop to those plans. As an older teenager he would sneak out his bedroom window by climbing down a tree and head into the town for some late-night adventures. His parents eventually found out, and the tree was cut down. This was Bob, always thinking how to make the next adventure.

During his celebration of life, they spoke about the farm, his work and adventures until he ended up in Fort Simpson. I have attached this at the end of this statement and would like them deemed as read.

In 1987, Bob moved to Fort Simpson to work for the Fort Simpson Housing Authority. After a good career with the Local Housing Authority, he retired and started his own business Bob's Mechanical. People asked I thought you retired? His reply was I got too much stuff to do. I can tell you Bob loved Fort Simpson and the people. As the old saying goes, home is where the heart is, and Fort Simpson was his home. Bob was a generous man, generous with his time, especially helping people in the middle of the night when their furnace went out or with his resources. He had always had any tool or supplies in his shed that you needed, and he'd have no problem letting you have it or borrow it.

Bob was a hard worker to ensure his family had a roof over their heads and food in their belly. I can tell you he made the best fried chicken in town and would oftentimes open the house on Friday nights to the neighborhood kids for his famous chicken and chips followed by pancake breakfast in the morning.

The family farm was 80 acres with cattle, horses, pigs and chickens. Much of the work had to be done with a team of horses on the farm, so he learned about hard work at a very early age.

Bob attended Dunnville High School; he was very smart but bored with school. He wanted to work, learn a trade, and make some money. He was determined that farming was not to be in his future. His first job was at Powell's Shipyard on the Grand River, just a couple of miles from the family farm.

At age 19, with a friend he drove his VW Beetle out west on what was to be a vacation. He never returned to live on the farm again.

He first lived in Elrose, Saskatchewan. Where he owned his first business with his brother-in-law (Elrose Plumbing and Heating).

In the late 60's he went on to work in the Potash Mines in Saskatchewan and by the 1970's he moved to St Albert AB, where he lived on a little country property where he had some chickens he raised. This is the closest he ever came to farming. When the 1980's rolled around, he discovered the NWT. First living in Yellowknife, where he owned his own business.

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to -- and I apologize if I say this name wrong. I'd like to recognize Mary Jane Cazon, our interpreter from Fort Simpson as well. So welcome to the House of Fort Simpson.

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Hay River South.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize Mr. Melvin Larocque who is the union vice-president, first vice-president. He is a constituent of Hay River. Thank you.

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Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Yellowknife South. There we go.

Mr. Speaker, I'm very pleased to have an opportunity to recognize Gayla Thunstrom. She is the UNW president and also a resident of Yellowknife South.

Mr. Speaker, before I'm done, I happen to have three pages also with us this week. Aima Tabbaa, Olivia Costache, Elizabeth Stewart. thank you very much for your help and service this week in the House.

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Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Great Slave.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to recognize my previous colleagues from the UNW, Gayla Thunstrom and Melvin Larocque, as well as three members from the Fort Simpson Housing Authority who are here today watching the proceedings. Welcome. And, also, I would like to say a very warm welcome to my page from Great Slave, Jack Lau. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Mackenzie Delta.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to recognize Mary Teya, sister Margaret Begg, daughter Ann Kay and grandson Robert. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member from Mackenzie Delta. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize Melvin Larocque who originally was from Fort Resolution, then Hay River, and now in Yellowknife. I just want to recognize them. Also, I want to recognize our translators, all of them that are here, in particular Mary Rose Sundberg and Jonas Lafferty, and thank you for your services. Mahsi.

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Thank you, Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased to recognize a page we have with us from Yellowknife North, Greta Kohle. Thanks for your help today, Greta.

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Thank you, Member from Yellowknife North. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Yellowknife Centre.

I was worried you forgot about me, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what I'll do is I'll recognize them as a group. First off, I'll recognize the team of PSAC, the UNW, and certainly the overall package of the supporting and striking workers who came to grace the Assembly, and I want to appreciate and recognize lastly their respectful efforts both outside the efforts advocating for the cause and their certainly respectful efforts in the gallery watching our proceedings. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Frame Lake.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to recognize the two pages representing Frame Lake today, Emereigh Moffatt and Colin Mahon. Thanks for your service, guys.

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Thank you, Member from Frame Lake. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Monfwi.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize and welcome, congratulate Mary Teya and her daughter Annie and who I've known for many years. So I want to welcome them. And I would like to welcome back the interpreters. And it's also good to see Ms. Nadli up there, so I would like to welcome her too as well. So thank you.

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Thank you, Member from Monfwi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Range Lake.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize a page from Range Lake, Tika Ristau. Thank you very much for your work today. Thank you.

Oral Questions

Oral Question 299-20(1): Norman Wells Crisis Support

Mr. Speaker, following up on my statement here earlier today, my questions are to the Minister of Finance. I feel we have discussed this situation at length and are now comfortable to address for Norman Wells' high, high cost of living and fuel.

My first question: Will the Minister of Finance agree to cover the air fuel transportation costs to Norman Wells? Mahsi.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member from the Sahtu. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first, I do want to acknowledge we've had a lot of conversations, and I'm grateful for the MLA from the Sahtu. He is in our ears all the time, and it brings the reality of the people on the ground to what can sometimes seem far away when you're not in the moment of it, brought that voice to Ottawa last week as well. And I'm grateful that he was there to do that.

Mr. Speaker, the fuel resupply to the Sahtu is through Imperial Oil. The fuel services division supplies the other Sahtu communities. So figuring out exactly whether we use public dollars to subsidize Imperial Oil's delivery of fuel is a tricky question. Am I to pay the contractor on the ground or Imperial Oil? Or how exactly are we to determine what they are doing and ensuring that there is no profits being made off of that if we're using public dollars. So I have committed to the Member, and I'm going to continue to say that here, we need to find some solutions. The potential impacts to residents, to the government, to services, to this community are too great to not find a solution. I just don't have that solution here today beyond some of the programs that have already been put out. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thanks to our Minister for that reply. With her legal background, I'm quite somewhat comfortable on the word "commitment".

My second question to the Minister of Finance also is will the Minister support a codeveloped draft agreement to pay vendors in sponsorship with the town of Norman Wells? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I certainly appreciate creative solutions. So I certainly can say as I, you know, indicated or implied in my last response, the Member for the Sahtu, myself, and other Members of Cabinet met with federal officials last week in Ottawa to address this very issue. Multiple departments were represented from the federal government, putting to them that we're going to need some supports that given this crisis, the impact that it's having across government, given the impacts of low water across government on a number of fronts, we are stretched. But we've put this to a large number of those departments. They are actively working to it. They've responded already today with some information to acknowledge and summarize where they're at, and we've also had some conversations with Imperial Oil. As I've said, this is their resupply. They did not get all their fuel in over the winter road. Obviously, it's a bit unexpected to have no barges go in, but certainly fuel services was able to get all of our fuel in. So I'm looking for exactly the kind of solution the Member's mentioning, something that we can, you know, look to the private sector and ask them what they're prepared to contribute to this community that they've been in for 40 years and also recognizing that government does play a role in terms of filling gaps but noting that it's public dollars, and we want to be making sure that we're using those public dollars effectively and to support the community and the residents there. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister of Finance. Final supplementary. Member from the Sahtu.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thanks to the Minister for that response. Here I'm feeling more and more satisfied and comfortable however I can't really say that for the many people out there in the community.

My third question to the same Minister is the Minister exhausting all possibilities for a cost shared model with the Government of Canada and Imperial Oil themself? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And that certainly flows well. I'd like to say that we are -- I'm cognizant of us saying we're working on something and us committing to finding a solution doesn't fill the fuel tank of anyone in the Sahtu this week. I'm conscious of that, Mr. Speaker. I believe we are. As I've said, I've spoken with Imperial Oil myself and Minister Cleveland just this morning. We've spoken with Members in the federal public service. A variety of departments are involved. We have follow-ups happening at our department levels. So I do believe that we are pushing this issue. It came upon a little faster than perhaps we were expecting in terms of the timing of when Imperial has decided to start to fly in fuel, which is resulting in the higher costs. So we need to action this quickly. I appreciate the Member's diligence on this. I do want to, again, reiterate that we recognize that something's going to have to be done and we want to work with the Member and the communities to find some solutions. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister of Finance. Final supplementary. Member from the Sahtu.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My last question to the Minister here, and I feel this is a very large, multimillion-dollar situation, and I don't feel comfortable in asking four questions on behalf of the Sahtu, but I'm going to ask my last one with some extra reserves for tomorrow. Will the Minister agree that this is a crisis emergency situation? Mahsi.

Mr. Speaker, if the residents of the Sahtu are facing fuel bills that result in them being unable to fill their fuel tanks even as they're working full-time, that is going to be a crisis. It's going to be a crisis the minute somebody can't fill their fuel bills, something like their house fuel is up -- or freezes up. They're literally people are unable to stay in their homes. So, yes, I mean, in that sense, Mr. Speaker, it absolutely is a crisis. It's how we respond, how quickly we can respond, and doing so in a way that actually allows people to continue to live, work, reside, be in the Sahtu. Mr. Speaker, we need to find some short-term capacity solutions to make sure that the programs that we have already, seniors home heating subsidies, income assistance programs, the relief program for barges for the barge resupplies that have been put in place, that those are working. Let's see if they can work even better. Let's see what's going to come of that as these fuel prices are coming in. And if they're not, well, Mr. Speaker, then it's a crisis for that community and the government's role here is to make sure that we can be there to support them. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister of Finance. Oral questions. Member from Monfwi.

Oral Question 300-20(1): Education Outcomes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to last year's early childhood development instrument, EDI, vulnerable children have challenges in one or more of the five areas of development listed in the survey. Can the Minister identify which of these areas of development are ECE's greatest priorities for small communities? Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member from Monfwi. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is really looking at supporting children for increased education outcomes, especially in small communities and across the territory, from a holistic sense. And so that's everything from ensuring that we are doing certifications for early learning and childhood operators, so our daycare and day home operators, and ensuring they have the supports they need when they're supporting our children from zero to age 4. Implementing the BC curriculum, and so that is our school aged children, from there. And even pieces like implementing and continuing to evolve and grow our school-based mental health and wellness program. And so there's multiple instruments at play here. We are at a time of transition within the education system of the Northwest Territories. But I absolutely hear the Member, and I appreciate her bringing education to the floor of this House repetitively. We need to have this conversation here on the importance of education in our communities and in our homes. So thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, she didn't answer my questions. There was physical and well-being, social competence, emotional maturity, language, numbers, and etcetera. But anyways, I will go on to a second question.

Can the Minister explain why twice as many students are listed as vulnerable for small communities when compared to Yellowknife? Thank you.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd love the opportunity to sit down and discuss in great lengths and details why the differences exist for small communities. There's often been differences that exist between our cities, our regional centres, and our small communities, and the efforts that are at play here in order to increase the equity between them. It exists in the programs that I have laid out here and in the increased supports. So one of those increased supports as well is affording training to classroom assistants to ensure that in small communities the people who are on the ground that are supporting students have the training and the supports that they need to be able to turn around and afford those to students to increase the education outcomes that we're seeing across the territory. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We need more money for program and services in small communities.

Mr. Speaker, 2023-2024 EDI surveys -- is the 2023-2024 EDI survey available, and if it is, when will it be released by the Department of ECE? Is it getting better for small communities? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't have the information of dates at my disposal or at my fingertips right at this time, but I would be happy to follow up with the department and ensure that I get that back to the Member. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. Final supplementary. Member from Monfwi.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to ask the Minister if the Minister can make a commitment to come and visit Tlicho region, to visit some of the schools that needs a lot of help, that we need a lot of program and services, if the Minister can come and visit our school in the near future? Thank you.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, every moment that I have had the opportunity to spend in the Tlicho region has been nothing short of incredibly rewarding. I appreciate the time that the Member has invited me and I have gone, and I would absolutely love to accept. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. Oral questions. Member from Frame Lake.