Debates of October 22, 2024 (day 31)

Date
October
22
2024
Session
20th Assembly, 1st Session
Day
31
Speaker
Members Present
Hon. Caitlin Cleveland, Mr. Edjericon, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Lucy Kuptana, Hon. Jay Macdonald, Hon. Vince McKay, Mr. McNeely, Ms. Morgan, Mr. Morse, Mr. Nerysoo, Ms. Reid, Mr. Rodgers, Hon. Lesa Semmler, Hon R.J. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Mrs. Weyallon Armstrong, Mrs. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements

Thank you. I will now open the floor for general comments on the supplementary estimates (infrastructure expenditures). Members, who are recognized for everything, so that's good, okay. I'm going to take Members, Members want to do opening comments, general comments?

Seeing no further general comments, we will review the supplementary estimates by department. The committee has agreed to forego general comments on each department. Does the committee agree to proceed to the detail contained in the tabled documents? Committee?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. The committee has agreed to begin the review with the Department of Environment and Climate Change. Committee, we'll begin on page 5. Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Environment and Climate Change, capital investment expenditures, wildlife and forest management, not previously authorized, $50,000. Are there any questions?

Seeing no further questions. Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Environment and Climate Change, capital investment expenditure, wildlife and forest management, not previously authorized, $50,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Environment and Climate Change, capital investment expenditures, total department not previously authorized, $50,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Committee, we will turn to page 6 for the Department of Finance.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Finance, capital investment expenditures, management board secretariat, not previously authorized, $993,000. Are there any questions?

Seeing no further questions. Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Finance, capital investment expenditures, management board secretariat, not previously authorized, $993,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Finance, capital investment expenditure, Office of the Chief Information Officer, not previously authorized, $1,950,000. Are there any questions?

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Finance, capital investment expenditures, Office of the Chief Information Officer, not previously authorized, $1,950,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Finance, capital investment expenditures, total department not previously authorized, $2,943,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Turn to page 7 for the Department of Health and Social Services.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Health and Social Services, capital investment expenditures, health and social services program, not previously authorized, negative $3 million. Are there any questions? I'm going to go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So can the Minister give us an indication of what is the revised project timeline? It's talking about this is reflecting changes in the project timeline. So what is the new timeline, and does it impact the federal funding agreement in any way? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, there is no impact to the funding agreement. Typically, if there are changes of this nature, we would double check with federal counterparts just to be sure. So that certainly is fine. And with respect to the timing, the funding portion that you see here is simply being moved from the current fiscal year into a revised budget for a future year. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

Thank you. So we're just putting it off to the future but we don't have a set timeline for when this project will be built or completed? Can the Minister clarify whether we have a set timeline and, if so, what is that timeline? Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister.

Sorry, Mr. Chair. I realize I didn't quite finish my thought before I finished speaking. It's into next fiscal year. So the 2025.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. You'd think I hadn't done this before. For 2025-2026. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go the Member from Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just clarification, the project will be complete in 2025-2026? Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Right now we're showing 2026-2027 as the fiscal year when the project will be fully complete. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

That's all. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there any further general comments? I'm going to go to the Member from Range Lake.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So for the funding, this $3 million change here, can the Minister just speak to the -- clarify if the funding is federal funding or territorial funding? Like, the source of the funding I guess is what I'm looking for. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The wellness centre is 100 percent federally funded. Thank you.

Thank you. I'll go to the Member from Range Lake.

Thank you. So there is some concern about the -- or the -- whether or not it will meet the needs of the current community. Is there a plan to speak to -- even though this is a financial carryover and things like that, had those concerns been brought forward and are they being addressed before the facility is finalized or construction continues and ultimately the facility is put into use? Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the finance Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I understand that the design for the facility is already complete and that it's, in fact, the procurement process is already as well complete and has been awarded. I would want to double check that with the Minister of health but that is my understanding, is that the process is actually quite a ways along and so they're not going to go back to redo the design and the construction bid and the procurement process. I know there were some concerns raised this summer when there was a lot of effort being made in order to ensure that we were supporting the community that were relying on an encampment and fortunately, from that work, Mr. Chair, I think there's other efforts underway to ensure that we are supporting that community and supporting the non-government sector here who does provide some sheltering services as well. So I appreciate the Member's question. It won't be resolved through this project, but it does appear that there may be other pathways by which that solution is ultimately found. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Range Lake.

Thank you. Would it be safe to characterize this project as kind of a -- at least from a funding perspective, as like a done deal, you know, in terms of design and delivery, so we're not able to pump the brakes on it and retain the funding? Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That is my understanding of it. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Range Lake.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Nothing further.

Thank you. Is there any further general comments? Okay, I'm going to continue on. Thank you.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Health and Social Services, capital investment expenditures, health and social services programs, not previously authorized, negative $3 million. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Health and Social Services, capital investment expenditures, long-term and continuing care services, not previously authorized, negative $7 million. Are there any questions? Thank you, I'll continue on.

Supplementary Estimates -- sorry, my apologies. I'm going to go to the Member from Great Slave.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll put my hand up higher next time. Similar questions to the previous line item, what is the project timeline looking like for the Hay River long-term care facility with this reduction? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, this one, again, and similarly the project is underway but there is a need to revise the timing of the delivery of the project. I do expect this one, similarly, will be completed in the fiscal year of 2027-2028. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Great Slave.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. And is the delay attributable to anything that we can speak about? Thank you, Mr. Chair.