Debates of October 22, 2024 (day 31)

Date
October
22
2024
Session
20th Assembly, 1st Session
Day
31
Speaker
Members Present
Hon. Caitlin Cleveland, Mr. Edjericon, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Lucy Kuptana, Hon. Jay Macdonald, Hon. Vince McKay, Mr. McNeely, Ms. Morgan, Mr. Morse, Mr. Nerysoo, Ms. Reid, Mr. Rodgers, Hon. Lesa Semmler, Hon R.J. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Mrs. Weyallon Armstrong, Mrs. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I don't have detail here as to exactly what challenges there may have been, I mean aside from having been in this government and seeing the community of Hay River go through a number of various challenges and emergencies over the last couple of years, but I can say that we are expecting the design to be completed here 2025-2026, so that much is on schedule, and construction would be starting as soon as possible thereafter. And yes, Mr. Chair, the construction -- well yes, and in fact I can say with a little more certainty, Mr. Chair, that it was the 2021 flood event that did require in fact a whole new site to be selected so that it would not be impacted by future potential waters and flood waters. And with anything that kind of lasted in between that period of time to now, there's been some additional inflationary pressures on those budgets. So reason for the delay, and then a move, and then now, of course, a bit more of delay having to rescope the budget. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Great Slave.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Nothing further.

Thank you. Any further general comments from Members? Thank you.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Health and Social Services, capital investment expenditures, long-term and continuing care services, not previously authorized, negative $7 million. Does committee agree? Thank you.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Health and Social Services, capital investment expenditures, total department not previously authorized, negative $10 million. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Please turn to page 8 for Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, capital investment expenditure, minerals and petroleum resources, not previously authorized, $71,000. Are there any questions?

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2 -- did I miss somebody? Okay, I just want to make sure. Thank you.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, capital investment expenditures, minerals and petroleum resources, not previously authorized, $71,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, capital investment expenditures, total department not previously authorized, $71,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Edjericon): Thank you. Please turn to page 9 for Department of Infrastructure.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Infrastructure, capital investment expenditures, asset management, not previously authorized, $8,500,000. Are there any questions? I'm going to go to the Member from Great Slave.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can the Minister please speak to how much of the costs for rehabilitation work on Highway No. 3 are offset by the Government of Canada? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, it's partial offset $1.35 million in federal support have come in, so the net to the GNWT is $2.15 million. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Great Slave.

Thanks, Mr. Chair. That's all.

Thank you. Any further general comments? I'm going to go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can the Minister give some insight on whether this additional funding is required because more rehabilitation work is needed than we previously thought, or is this work that's being sort of bumped up and done sooner than we thought we would do it, or why are we being asked to approve sort of additional money for rehabilitation work that we didn't know about earlier? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I don't know if I have that kind of detail here. I mean, this was work that was planned for Highway No. 3. There are regular patrols done of all the highways and then planned works get done along a fairly complicated schedule that -- or complicated chart that I certainly have looked at and seen semi-regularly that shows every single highway in the North, all of the different areas of need, and ranks all of them. So this one would have come through that process, and then it was a matter of determining which types of funding are available from the federal government to apply. There has not been a recapitalizing of the National Trade Corridors Fund which was a large fund that was typically used for most of the roadways. So I think this is likely a situation of wanting to go out and try to find the funding and match that up to the work that was underway. And whether or not a fund -- or whether or not a roadway is classified as being a part of a national corridor can impact what type of funds we go to. But, again, my understanding and expectation is that this would have been planned through the process I'm describing. I'm certainly happy to provide more of that detail to Members. I'm not sure that that's necessarily what's being asked.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

Okay, thank you, Mr. Chair. I would just ask that perhaps the Minister could provide me with some written details of what this rehabilitation work entails and what improvements we can expect. I would very much appreciate that. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, certainly happy to provide more detail. Just in brief, there is some work that's being done in terms of the drainage, culverts, surface improvements. There's dips that are -- that become present and become in some cases very severe on this particular stretch of highway and all throughout, and so trying to smooth those out which sometimes seems like an endless task. But that's the overview of it. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

That's fine. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there any further general comments from Members?

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Infrastructure, capital investment expenditures, asset management, not previously authorized, $8,500,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Infrastructure, capital investment expenditures, programs and services, not previously authorized, negative $1,328,000. Are there any questions? Seeing none.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Infrastructure, capital investment expenditures, programs and services, not previously authorized, negative $1,328,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Department of Infrastructure, capital investment expenditures, total department not previously authorized, $7,172,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Do you agree that you have concluded consideration of Tabled Document 200-20(1), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025? Member from Inuvik Boot Lake.

Committee Motion 39-20(1): Concurrence Motion – Tabled Document 200-20(1): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, Carried

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I move that consideration of Tabled Document 200-20(1), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025 be now concluded and that the Tabled Document 200-20(1) be reported and recommended as ready for further consideration in formal session through the form of an appropriation bill. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Tabled Document 200-20(1), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2024-2025, will be reported as ready for consideration in formal session through the form of an appropriation bill.

---Carried

Thank you, Minister, and thank you to your witnesses for appearing before us.

Thank you. We're going to continue on.

Committee, we have agreed to consider Tabled Document 202-20(1), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 2024-2025. I'm going to move on. I will now open the floor for general comments. Member from Range Lake.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll be brief. The supplementary estimates contain, amongst other things, increases due to the last round of collective bargaining and items that were negotiated by Members on this side of the House with Members of that side of the House to improve services to our constituents. So largely this is something I welcome. It is part of our process to realign spending priorities based on needs and the things in here are the result of -- many of the spending in here is a result of the hard work of all Members of this House to find compromise and better reflect the needs of our communities. So I just wanted to put that clearly on the record in case anyone listening was interested in the overall picture painted by these supplementary estimates. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there any further general comments from Members? Seeing none.

Committee, we will begin on page 3 with the Legislative Assembly. Are there any questions? Sorry about that. Seeing no further general comments, we will review the supplementary estimates by department. The committee has agreed to forego general comments on each department. Does the committee agree to proceed to the detail contained in the tabled document?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Committee, we will begin on page 3 with the Legislative Assembly. Are there any questions? Seeing none, I'll continue on.

Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 2024-2025, Legislative Assembly, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer, not previously authorized, $31,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 2024-2025, Legislative Assembly, Office of the Clerk, not previously authorized, $422,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 2024-2025, Legislative Assembly, Office of the Speaker, not previously authorized, $8,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 2024-2025, Legislative Assembly, statutory officer, not previously authorized, $224,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 2024-2025, Legislative Assembly, total not previously authorized, $685,000. Does the committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.