Debates of March 1, 2010 (day 1)

Date
March
1
2010
Session
16th Assembly, 5th Session
Day
1
Speaker
Members Present
Mr. Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Bromley, Hon. Paul Delorey, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Hawkins, Mr. Krutko, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Sandy Lee, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Michael McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. Menicoche, Hon. Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Ramsay, Hon. Floyd Roland, Mr. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements

QUESTION 12-16(5): MANAGEMENT OF HEALTH CARE PROGRAM FUNDING

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The particular issue I keep trying to raise here is linking the reduction of services to poor management. I’d ask the Minister of Health and Social Services what work is done from a waste buster point of view. With a department that has a budget of $326 million, do they have any staff or personnel dedicated to finding wasted resources within their organization?

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services, Ms. Lee.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The entire health and social services system is geared towards making sure that we use our health and social services dollars to the people in need. On any given day I have every Member of this House come and talk to me about the things we need to do for our people: medical travel, different services, different care, different institutions they should go to, different treatment. The fact is that health and social services is a high-demand field. We put a great deal of priority on spending our dollars in the health and social services field, but we’re also aware that we’re under constant pressure with the dollars we have. Everybody, every manager, every department head, every CEO, every chair, every board is preoccupied to making sure that we use our resources that we get as well as possible.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The time for question period has expired. I will allow the Member a very short supplementary question. Mr. Hawkins.

Thank you kindly, Mr. Speaker. On one hand the Minister will say in this House that the supplementary health benefit changes are not about reducing costs. The question still stands: what services are provided within the Department of Health and Social Services that examine the cost of our health dollars to ensure that they are being used wisely?

One example that I can think of is we’ve been reviewing the specialist services to see what services we provide, how they are being provided. The Stanton CEO and the department and refocusing government have been working on that. We have also done a review on medical travel, because that is a part that is completely dependent on demand and the requests that are made from the doctors and other service providers. That’s under review, and supplementary health benefits. We just went through a very detailed analysis on exactly how many people accessed that, how much it costs and who’s accessing that. That’s not a cost-cutting measure. It is about learning what the program that we provide looks like, who is using it, how much does it cost.

If we were talking about Rio Tinto or BHP, they have staff dedicated specifically to look at resources and how the system is being done to make sure they can do them in an efficient way. What proof does the Minister have that she can lay before this House that the Department of Health and Social Services examines the way it does business on a regular basis to ensure that we’re getting the best value for our dollars?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There’s a lot of difference between Rio Tinto or BHP and the public health system. Our system is demand driven. People put the highest priority on their health and social services. On a daily basis, whether it’s Friday night, Saturday morning, midnight, I get calls from Members and the general public asking us to do something more for health and social services or extra services they would like. You cannot compare a health care system to a private corporation who needs to check the bottom line all the time. We have finance people in our authorities and our department. Cabinet keeps a close eye on our health care expenditures, because every government in Canada is concerned with making sure we find and spend our health dollars wisely.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I highlighted the fact that we’ve got doctors acting like either summer students or clerks. In my statement I also pointed out that we’re not billing properly. So are we like a diamond mine? No, we’re not. But the strategy and process and thinking is exactly the same: wise resources and good use of them. Would the Minister re-examine the issue of establishing a position that looks at how we use our resources to make sure we’re using them in the most efficient way? It’s not about the question of providing resources, it’s how we spend the money. Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, the entire Foundation for Change is based on making sure that people in our health care system do what they’re most suited to do. So I can’t answer to the Member’s question about doctors looking at files. I can’t imagine that we would ask them to look at their files for any other purpose than for which they are being paid to do, which is to provide doctor services.

Mr. Speaker, he’s asking a very general question. I’ve answered already. The primary care clinic consolidation might be requiring the staff to look at their files, but, Mr. Speaker, I can say once again that my preoccupation every day is to see how we can spend our $326 million as well as possible so that we benefit the people on the ground. Thank you.