Debates of October 15, 2020 (day 37)
Question 352-19(2): Mine Financial Securities
Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to ask some more questions of the Minister of Finance around the Dominion Diamond situation, and I apologize. She doesn't have these questions before her. I know that, in her responses to some questions I asked earlier today, she talked about how the GNWT is involved in these proceedings and that they make sure that the court knows about the business interests at stake. Of course, we all want to see the mine continue, but one thing I didn't hear the Minister talk about was: we have a lot of workers at the mine site. Some of them are actually organized, as well, and there is a $20-million deficit in the pension fund. Of course, we would want to make sure, I hope, that any workers who might get laid off would get proper severance and so on. What is the position of our government with regard to the workers and the shortfall in the pension fund at the site? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister of Finance.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is one of the difficult parts of this entire proceeding, is that we see and we feel very keenly the fact that it is residents of the Northwest Territories who are going to be affected, and it is difficult when there are few levers that the government can pull to necessarily protect every single time every single employee who is being affected by what is happening with Dominion.
Again, we want to ensure that we are providing an atmosphere that allows that mine to reopen while protecting our environmental securities, but insofar as being able to do a lot in terms of directly impacting on the protection of those workers, we are not going to be in a position to do much, aside from continuing to advocate at the process itself, with legal counsel at the process, to explain to the court and make it clear to the court that this is not just one small mine with only a handful of people there, that it is actually a tremendous contributor to employment in the North, both directly of those who are affected, but also indirectly to a number of northern businesses. We are playing that role, we are speaking out, and I believe that our message is getting through. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I want to thank the Minister for that. I just hope that part of our messaging is that we have workers at the site. They do have rights, and we want to make sure that they are protected, because, if pensions aren't paid to these workers, guess what? They are going to come back, and they may end up on Income Assistance. It's going to cost our government something, as well.
I guess this really gets to the broader question of communications around what we're doing. I don't want to get into the specifics of the court proceeding, but the only place I can find any information about this is in the media and on the receiver's website. I see that the court protection has been extended now to November 7th. How does our government actually communicate what it is doing in terms of the court proceeding, and how is it trying to communicate that to the broader public, as well?
The court proceedings are public proceedings and so, to the extent that our counsel is present and speaking at those proceedings, that certainly is a public forum and a public arena where that message is being transmitted. Beyond that, I don't think I have turned away a single media inquiry to ask further questions about this. I have spoken to the media on many occasions about that and will continue to make myself available to do that, and I am more than happy to continue to answer the Member's questions here. It is certainly my expectation that that message is going out, and it is being made clear. We're using every opportunity we can to get that message out.
I want to thank the Minister for that. I would just like to know a little more about how she intends to keep Regular MLAs informed about what is happening and what the position of our government is that is being put forward, moving forward.
To the extent of keeping Regular MLAs informed, to date, the last couple of occasions where more information became available to the Department of Finance or the Department of ITI, in fact, I think the very last time that we received information in the morning, we turned around and got that out to MLAs that same day, within hours. We are going to continue to try to work on that kind of time scale so that, when we get information about what might be occurring from one of the parties that is relevant to these proceedings, we will turn that around as quickly as we can. As I said, in this case, it was within hours.
Beyond that, with respect to the position of government, with respect to the MLAs, we will certainly include that there. As far as putting out media information and media announcements, again that is, in fact, that same example. That same day, not only did we first get information out to MLAs. We then, within a few hours after that, got an information statement out to the media. While a turnaround time of hours, Mr. Speaker, is asking a lot of the staff and the departments, we have managed to meet that kind of time scale, and we will certainly continue to do our best in the future to do so.
Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake.
Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that, and I will acknowledge that, pretty quickly after some time she finds out about these things, she does share it with us. I want to give her credit for that. However, it seems to be changing almost daily or monthly, and I am just wondering what kind of lines of communication our government keeps with some of the creditors, Union of Northern Workers who represents some of the workers at the site, even the insurance companies that have the surety bonds, Dominion itself, if the Minister can speak in broad terms about the lines of communication with other parties around this issue? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
Perhaps I am not sure if "irony" is quite the right word, but the pace of private industry certainly does often move quite a bit faster than government. It's a bit interesting that, as a representative of government, I am being asked to try to keep up with what's happening in private industry. That really is the nature of this. There is ongoing communication between these private parties and an ongoing process of bids. In one case, one bid was withdrawn. We are certainly hopeful that another bid may well come forward so that, again, ultimately, this mine can reopen.
As far as communication, Mr. Speaker, there is an ongoing court proceeding. We always have to be conscious of that in terms of the kind of communications that we have and discussions that we have. There are communications open between the department and certainly with Dominion. As with any business or industry here in the Northwest Territories, that line of communication is there, similarly with the surety bond holders. Those lines of communication are there but certainly will not make me privy to the kind of internal conversations or negotiations that they have ongoing between them. Certainly, to the extent that we receive information about what is happening, we will certainly continue to do our best to make sure that the people of the Northwest Territories and businesses are kept aware once we hear that something is happening or maybe changing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.