Debates of May 31, 2021 (day 76)

Date
May
31
2021
Session
19th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
76
Members Present
Hon. Diane Archie, Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Mr. Bonnetrouge, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Hon. Julie Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Martselos, Ms. Nokleby, Mr. O'Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek
Topics
Statements

Oral Question 732-19(2): Land Use Planning

Merci, Monsieur le President. I don't want to go back to watching bad movies. But I think I have a solution here for the Minister of Lands. I continue to raise this issue with the federal government not living up to its obligation to fund land use planning under the Tlicho Agreement. If we can't get the federal government to the table to contribute, there is a dispute resolution process laid out in the Tlicho Agreement. Can the Minister tell us why GNWT has not invoked the dispute resolution process to get land use planning finally underway and have the federal government pick up its share of costs. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister responsible for Lands.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's not a bad movie. We're trying to actually move forward. So I keep on saying we're moving forward, and we're making progress. So a dispute mechanism is when we're not get moving forward. It may be not at the speed that the Member wants or I would want but we have a process in place that involves the GNWT, the Government of Canada, and Indigenous governments working together trying to get it resolved. And the challenge that we've seen right now is Section 35. We've seen some hiccups. Now we're trying to deal with that. And like I said previously, the federal government has looked at potentially bringing a facilitator nation to nation working together to get this resolved. And that's what we're trying to do. So a dispute mechanism does not need to be put in place right now because we are moving forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Merci, Monsieur le President. If we're moving forward, why have I been asking these questions for the last year? I just don't get it. If you can't get someone to pay their fair share, Mr. Speaker, that sounds like a dispute to me. Can the Minister explain to me why this is not a dispute and shouldn't be brought to the dispute resolution process, as set out in the agreement? Look, first stage of any dispute is usually you've got to get the parties to sit down and talk about it. You can then go to mediation. Then you can go to arbitration if they can't sort it out. It's a long process. But why will this government not take the first step to invoke the dispute resolution process? Merci, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't talk about the past. That's gone. What I can tell you about right now is the Government of Canada, the Tlicho Government, and the Government of Northwest Territories are working together. We're talking about facetoface, bringing a facilitator. So if they're willing to do that and our Indigenous governments are willing to do this process, why do we as the Government of Northwest Territories need to bring in the dispute mechanism? We don't need to do that unless it's our last resort. So right now, the Government of the Canada, the Tlicho Government, and the Northwest Territories are moving together trying to get this resolved. We are willing to work with them within the system, and that is our last resort. And right now, we've been told by Tlicho, by the Government of Canada, and our officials that we are moving forward. So we are trying to get this resolved in a process that works for everybody. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that. Look, I think I'm going to be here a year from now asking the same questions. But I'll keep pushing this a little bit further, Mr. Speaker. There's two separate issues here. One is overlapping traditional land use, interest in the Wek'eezhii Management Area. That's one issue. The other issue, though, is one party refuses to start to pay for its portion or all of the portion of the process. Those are two separate disputes, Mr. Speaker. I'm talking about our government starting to initiate dispute resolution on getting the Feds to start to pay their fair share. Will the Minister commit to invoking the dispute resolution process around that issue alone, getting the Feds to pay their fair share? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I guess my colleague's not going to like my answer. No, we're not going to invoke the dispute process right now. We're not going to do that. I totally agree that the federal government needs to pay for their fair share. And we're working on that right now. So if it's working and we're moving forward, then why would you invoke this process? So I cannot in good conscience invoke something that's not going to help the process. That, to me, is our last resort, and that's what we need to do. So I understand the passion of the Member. And I'm hoping that within a year's time when he brings it up again, we can have a finality to it. We can have the answers. We can show the progress. But right now, the answer is no. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary. Oral questions. Member for Thebacha.