Debates of February 15, 2012 (day 7)

Date
February
15
2012
Session
17th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
7
Speaker
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Hon. Tom Beaulieu, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Blake, Mr. Bouchard, Mr. Bromley, Mr. Dolynny, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Jackie Jacobson, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. Menicoche, Hon. Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Moses, Mr. Nadli, Hon. David Ramsay, Mr. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements
Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The honourable Member for Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to rise as well. I’d be remiss if I didn’t take this opportunity to recognize a Metis boy from Fort Smith who made good, who came to the big city, who has been a colleague and a friend for many years, and no matter how long he lives in Yellowknife, he’ll always be a Metis boy from Fort Smith.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Not very often I get to recognize people. I would also like to recognize Tony. Some 30-odd years ago I want to say that Tony said some things to me that made a huge difference in my life and I thank Tony for saving my life at that time.

Oral Questions

QUESTION 82-17(2): CLIMATE CHANGE AND CARBON EMISSIONS POLICIES

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are directed to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources. I want to follow up on my earlier Member’s statement, a key priority of the 17th Assembly’s support of environmentally sustainable development, and obviously the public is on track here. Given our current policies, we’re not achieving that and we’re not able to achieve that. There’s no potential to achieve that. What is the Minister prepared to do in terms of improved policies and law to counter the threat to our people and environment?

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources, Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the more important question is, given the Member’s acknowledgement or description of, in his mind, the shortcomings of what the government is doing, what does the Member suggest we should be doing differently that we’re not currently doing, given that we’re on the eve of moving into yet another business planning process?

Most of my Member’s statement was in fact dedicated to that, but I’d be happy to offer a lot of suggestions. We have elected this Minister to lead us and I’m expecting… This was raised in the last session, as you are well aware, having ruled on various points of order and so on. Now we’re finally getting back to the debate here. Obviously, months have gone by and there’s still no response. I’d like to ask that question again. What is this Minister doing, what is he prepared to do to modify our policies and laws to address the concerns on greenhouse gas emissions?

This is consensus government and we’re in this together. The Member brings decades of experience, knowledge and skill on this issue to the table. It would be a shame if it wasn’t fully incorporated into our thinking. We do rely on his advice in terms of what he would suggest.

We have laid out a plan. We have the Greenhouse Gas Strategy. We invested tens of millions of dollars into alternative energy, solar energy, building standards, any number of areas, waste reduction, all that have energy components, all that have climate change implications. We’ve spent millions on adaptation and we’re trying to do the same on mitigation. We have a full slate. The Member says it’s not enough. What would the Member like us specifically to do?

I guess we have a new protocol here. The Minister is asking me questions. I’m happy to take some time to answer those questions, as long as the Speaker will allow me. The first thing I would do is I would immediately get rid of the policy that says that we will allow our emissions to increase 100 percent by 2020 from some much earlier level when we were much lower when we know, and the Minister agrees, that the science says we need a 25 to 40 percent reduction in emissions by that time. It’s behaviour such as this government…

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Bromley.

Yes, Mr. Speaker?

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Bromley, this is time for question period. I’m sorry to cut you off, but if you could just raise your question, the Minister will answer. Continue.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Speaker request the Minister to respond to my questions, to answer my questions?

The current plan has us working to stabilize our emissions at 2005 levels or less. We have laid out - and I could go on at great length but I appreciate your direction on short answers - the things we have underway with the resources we have available. We’re going to continue to work on those. We’ve met with local groups. We’re pursuing the work on carbon tax, emission standards, all those types of things in addition to the ongoing work. We’re in fiscal restraint so we don’t have the same amount of money that we did in the 16th Assembly, so we’re trying to be as creative as possible. We would appreciate all the guidance and assistance we can get as we move forward with the resources we have to deal with this issue.

Thanks for that response from the Minister. I appreciate that. Will the Minister commit to immediately revising the Greenhouse Gas Policy to remove the policy of allowing greenhouse gas emissions to soar to 100 percent above earlier emissions by 2020 and replace it with a more responsible policy in line with the science with which he agrees?

As I’ve indicated, we’ve set the target for ourselves at reducing our emissions to 2005 levels or less. If that is through the course of the business planning process not deemed adequate by the Legislature and committees as we come forward, we will look at making whatever adjustments are agreed to. This is the result of the Greenhouse Gas Strategy that was just renewed at the tail end of the last Assembly. Of course, it’s subject to ongoing review and we’ll be happy to work with Members opposite as we go through the business planning process.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks for that response from the Minister. There are two main keys to achieving a reduction of greenhouse gas output and both of them also provide many opportunities for economic development reducing cost of living and so on. One is getting this government and our communities off carbon-intensive fuels and onto renewables. Another is requiring all future major industrial development to achieve carbon neutrality as a condition of approval. When will the Minister table a plan for achieving these crucial objectives?

We have tabled a Biomass Strategy that speaks to that particular initiative. We’re concluding a Solar Strategy. We’re doing a Hydro Strategy. We’re looking at wind as well. Geothermal. We, as well, are clearly on track. We have a plan that’s called devolution. Devolution will give us the authority to control land, water and resource development, and it will allow us to make changes that are appropriate to the North on regulatory regimes to address some of the very issues that the Member talks about. With his full support, we could have that agreement signed by 2014. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

QUESTION 83-17(2): FUNDING FOR COMMUNITY SENIORS’ SOCIETIES

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are in follow-up to my Member’s statement about seniors’ societies. I talked about the Hay River Seniors’ Society and mentioned that recently the Hay River Seniors’ Society applied to the Department of Health and Social Services for funding and was turned down.

I wish that all Ministers would ask on this side of the House what we’d like. If Minister Beaulieu wants to ask me what I want, I want a pot of money set aside by this government that seniors’ groups can apply for and be granted, for activities such as social activities, sports activities, health-based activities. I’d like to ask the Minister, is that something that we can do. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Beaulieu.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time the funding from the Department of Health and Social Services for seniors’ groups in the Northwest Territories is to the NWT Seniors’ Society which, in turn, works with the seniors’ societies at the community level.

The funding that goes to the NWT Seniors’ Society is project specific. It goes to fund things that are clearly outlined in terms of programming, the NWT Seniors Helpline, and various things like that. There is no money that is given to the NWT Seniors’ Society which then is passed on to a local seniors’ society such as the one in Hay River.

I would like to know if it would be possible to identify funds that could be applied for directly by local seniors’ societies. Thank you.

The Department of Health and Social Services offers a range of programs to all seniors across the territory in all the communities. They range from home care to long-term care, extended care and other seniors’ benefits across the territory. I don’t believe there are any monies actually marked for specific seniors’ societies in the communities, but there is money given to the community for those very seniors. Thank you.

I don’t think anyone could deny that we, as a government, are mindful of the needs of seniors in the Northwest Territories, and the programming that Mr. Beaulieu articulates is correct. There are very good seniors’ programs in place for many different things. However, the seniors themselves like to get together, plan activities, and these kinds of activities give the seniors something to look forward to and there’s a lot of well-being in them being able to get together and do things together.

We fund youth in the communities. Why not seniors? Thank you.

I will work with the NWT Seniors’ Society, which is made up of seniors from all the communities – I believe the president of the seniors’ societies in the various communities for the NWT Seniors’ Society – to see if we could redistribute the money that’s going to the seniors. If it’s possible to put little pots of money into the communities so they can do those functions, I will make note of and discuss that with the NWT Seniors’ president and the society. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Your final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask the Minister, if he has time and if his schedule permits, would he commit to meeting with the NWT Seniors’ Society on this matter to get the information from them firsthand on whether these representatives of the various seniors’ societies believe that specific funding for communities would be appropriate. Would he have time to do that? Thank you.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I will meet the NWT Seniors’ Society. I have met with the Seniors' Society once since being appointed the Minister responsible for Seniors, and they know that I’m prepared to meet with them again any time that they wish to meet with me. I think we may actually have a meeting scheduled in a very short time here. I will bring that specific issue up at that time. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

QUESTION 84-17(2): TRAINING AND EDUCATION NEEDS IN THE SAHTU

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I talked earlier about the need for a Sahtu tech in our region here. I want to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment what has this department and Aurora College done to find out what types of employment needs, training needs are needed in the Sahtu, the oil patch and how can they be met.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. In the Sahtu region there are four community learning centres: Norman Wells, Deline, Fort Good Hope and Tulita. Each of those community learning centres have their own adult educators as well. There is also a Sahtu Regional Training Committee that deals with the long-term planning for the region. We are part of the process as well as the department. Those are ongoing initiatives and discussions that are happening at the regional level. Mahsi.

Some of the facilities that Mr. Lafferty spoke about, our people in the communities are saying that we need more than what the campuses are providing right now. They’re providing very minimum training for our people, and we need to advance it to a technical college in the region to take advantage of the potential of the oil and gas exploration, mining, construction. I want to ask the Minister if he can move this level of education to a new era that we would actually see a Sahtu tech college being planned for the region.

Those types of discussions I believe are happening in the Sahtu region. Part of the committee, the Sahtu Regional Training Committee that deals with the five-year plan, I’m sure those types of discussions have occurred. I will find out from my departmental representatives if there has been discussion in that capacity with respect to the Member’s request of a tech in the Sahtu region. Those types of discussions and also a lot of the training needs of the regions are part of the five-year training plan that’s been produced by the region. Mahsi.

The people in the Sahtu will look at opportunities such as the building of the new wellness centre or the long-term care facility in the Sahtu, and we want to prepare for that through that type of programming that could be available. That’s one of the things I ask of this Minister: what type of programs that we could start initiating with the training of construction.

There’s oil and gas coming in. We’ve spent up to $70 million in the Sahtu this winter. There are oil and gas companies coming in for the next four or five years. We need to initiate. Can the Minister tell me if his department is planning to meet with the leadership, the oil and gas industry, any type of construction company and this government, to start looking at a Sahtu tech?

From the Sahtu perspective, I think we certainly need to take full advantage of the community learning centres at the regional level. Yes, indeed, we need to prepare our people for the opportunities that are coming. At the same time there are talks and we do have a representative from the Sahtu region on the Aurora College Board of Governors, Ms. Ethel Blondin-Andrew. There have been talks about a potential mobile trades unit similar to the Inuvik initiative that’s been very successful. Those are some of the discussions that are happening within the training committee. If there is a meeting proposed by leadership, by all means, my departmental staff are more than willing to partake in the discussion as well. Mahsi.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the recent booming of the oil and gas activity in the Sahtu region, I want to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment what is he doing or his department doing with the Aurora College to prepare our people to work in the oil patch development and have jobs so they can apply for jobs and make a career in that field? What is he doing? We are proposing a Sahtu tech. Will the Minister support that?

Mr. Speaker, I can definitely find out from the Aurora College – they are arm’s length from us when it comes to program delivery – and find out exactly what kind of program has been offered in the region pertaining to the Member’s request. I can get back to the Members as well. Mahsi.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Moses.

QUESTION 85-17(2): ABORIGINAL LANGUAGES REVITALIZATION PLAN

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. It is in regards to the Minister’s statement that he mentioned yesterday and working to increase the number of Aboriginal language speakers, provide employment opportunities for elders and improve educational opportunities for our Aboriginal students.

Mr. Speaker, with this whole work plan in place, I wanted to ask the Minister, will he give priority to those languages that are being detrimentally declining over the last few years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Moses. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty.