Debates of February 7, 2013 (day 2)

Date
February
7
2013
Session
17th Assembly, 4th Session
Day
2
Speaker
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Hon. Tom Beaulieu, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Blake, Mr. Bouchard, Mr. Bromley, Mr. Dolynny, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Jackie Jacobson, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. Menicoche, Hon. Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Moses, Mr. Nadli, Hon. David Ramsay, Mr. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements
Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mrs. Groenewegen.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s my pleasure today to introduce in the visitors gallery a resident of Hay River South Mr. Brad Mapes, who is a local businessperson in Hay River and also the deputy mayor of Hay River.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Hawkins.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, wish to acknowledge and recognize both Chuck and Muriel Tolley, and I wish to agree with Mr. Miltenberger that James Tolley does have a tough job working for the Finance Minister. I, as well, wish to acknowledge NWT Tourism as a whole and recognize our good friend Mr. David Krutko, a former Member here.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Ms. Bisaro.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s my pleasure today to recognize a constituent who has already been recognized, Jenni Bruce. Welcome to the House, Jenni. I’d also like to recognize Mira Hall, trustee for YK Education District No. 1. Mr. Krutko, I cannot forget you, a former colleague. I’d like to also especially give my personal thanks to Mr. Mike Olson, who was a great assistant to me coming home on Sunday night from Edmonton.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Nadli.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s not very often I rise and recognize individuals from my constituency, but I’d like to recognize a friend, hockey player, husband, and leader Chief Lloyd Chicot of Kakisa, who has been a long-serving leader for the Dehcho First Nation.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Moses.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to welcome the following constituents to the Legislative Assembly and the House: Lisa and Jozef Carnogurski, welcome. I’d also like to recognize Topsy Cockney and Caroline Blake. Welcome. I did some good work with them over the last little while. I’d also like to make a special recognition of the NWT Tourism crew that did a great job with Spectacular NWT and the NWT Gala for NWT Days.

Mr. Brian Desjardins, Mr. Ron Ostrom, Ms. Jenni Bruce, and I’d also make one special recognition to Ms. Jackie Frederick, who has been working with communities such as Hay River and Inuvik to create tourism packages to bring people from the South up to the North to experience the spectacular NWT. I’d also like to welcome Mr. David Krutko to the House as well.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Bromley.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Mr. Anthony Whitford, resident and MLA. I’d also like to recognize a previous colleague, David Krutko. Also Mira Hall, a YK1 board trustee. Jenni Bruce and Brian Desjardins, again we’ve mentioned their names from NWT Tourism. Great to see them here.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Yakeleya.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d also like to recognize a former colleague, Mr. Krutko, in the gallery. I also recognize the hard work of the NWT Tourism that had a great display in Ottawa. Thank you very much. Also the crew from Mackenzie Delta, Joe and wife Lisa and my former schoolmate at Samuel Hearne Topsy Cockney, and Ms. Jenni Bruce from Tsiigehtchic, and the Chief Lloyd Chicot from Kakisa.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Bouchard.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to also recognize Mr. Brad Mapes, a proponent for Aurora Pellets and our deputy mayor of Hay River and also a former basketball coach of mine. Also Lloyd Chicot, the chief for Kakisa. I’ve worked with Lloyd in his community before. Welcome.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Blake.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize the president of the Gwich’ya Gwich’in Council, Caroline Blake Lennie who is also my sister; also the president of the Nihtat Gwich’in Council, Mr. Jozef Carnogurski and his wife, Lisa; also Topsy Cockney; also former Member for the Mackenzie Delta Mr. David Krutko; also Mr. Mervin Gruben.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. Moses.

I appreciate that, Mr. Speaker. I didn’t have the eyes in the back of my head so I didn’t recognize the mayor of Tuk and president of the NWT Association of Communities, Mr. Mervin Gruben. He’s been a very strong advocate for some of our big infrastructure projects that we are looking at going forward with this fiscal year.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Mr. McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Mr. Sonny Lenoir and Lee Mandeville from the Dene Nation. I also see John Hazenberg, who is here working on the sports-plex for Behchoko.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

I’d like to welcome all visitors in the public gallery today. Thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings here today.

Oral Questions

QUESTION 13-17(4): CANOL SHALE OIL DEVELOPMENT

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of ITI. I talked about, in my Member’s statement, the Sahtu’s potential for the oil and gas activity and billions of barrels that are on reserves and untapped in the Sahtu.

I want to ask the Minister of ITI if our assessments of the Sahtu Canol shale play is coming to fruition with the amount of activity going on in the Sahtu, and what is his department doing to deal with the impacts of that type of activity that could be happening in the next 25 or 30 years.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment, Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do hope the Member’s correct. I think the Canol shale oil play in the central Mackenzie is sustainable, a real development that could be taking place for generations in the Sahtu. We look forward to trying to manage this in the early stages.

Companies are there drilling, trying to get a better idea of what is in the ground. We understand there are, perhaps, billions of barrels of oil in the ground in the central Mackenzie, but companies have to find out what the rate of flow is on those wells. That work is continuing. There are more wells being drilled this winter.

Whether or not the commercialization of that oil play does get into production at some point in time, that remains to be seen. But certainly it has had a profound impact on the region and on the infrastructure and on the people in the region, and we’re watching it very closely. I know the Member and other Members were playing close attention to Minister Miltenberger’s budget address. We have answered the call as a government to the concerns that are apparent in the Sahtu, and we will continue to monitor that situation. Thank you.

According to some of the geologists and some of the preliminary work that’s been done in the Sahtu and the Sahtu Canol shale play, the similarities to the Sahtu Canol shale play is similar to the Bakken fields in North Dakota or Eagle Ford in Texas. The Bakken fields in North Dakota are estimated at about 20 billion barrels of oil. That’s a similar type of play that’s going to happen in the Sahtu, again, depending on more work that has to be done.

I want to ask the Minister, is his department looking at some special considerations in terms of the infrastructure for the Sahtu, if that type of activity is going to happen in the Sahtu. We just want to know when it’s going to happen.

Certainly, the word prolific comes to mind when you look at a play like the Bakken and the Eagle Ford in Texas, and what they’ve done to the economy in a place like North Dakota. Certainly, we could use that type of economic activity here in the Northwest Territories. Again, it’s activity that’s going to carry itself on for generations.

We continue to see and work with industry, see what industry is up to. We’ve had readiness sessions in the Sahtu. We’ve met with industry at any and every opportunity that I get as Minister. I know I’m the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment, but I’m also the Minister of Transportation, and certainly, in discussion with industry, the talk of infrastructure certainly is at the top of the agenda. Any chance I get to talk about potential industry involvement in building infrastructure in the region and building the economy there, that’s front and centre and that will continue to be the case.

We have a number of other projects currently here in the Northwest Territories that we’re trying to move forward, and if we get to a stage where that shale oil can be developed commercially, that certainly is a big game changer, and I think then the talks will certainly ramp up on industry involvement in building infrastructure in the central Mackenzie.

It is our hope in the Sahtu and other communities around the Sahtu that are working in the Sahtu and want to see this oilfield possibly go to production and development stages.

I want to ask the Minister, has his department looked at other models in Canada, specifically the Voisey’s Bay model, where the federal government stepped in to help out those communities up in the Labrador area. Is that something that can be considered with the Sahtu should the proven resources be at a point where saying, yes, this oil’s got to go? It’s there for production and that’s something that this government can look at, looking at the Sahtu as a special economic zone.

I’m familiar with the situation in Voisey’s Bay, and it was ACOA, the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, that set up a development zone in and around Voisey’s Bay.

Here in the Northwest Territories the landscape is going to change. We’re advancing talks on devolution. Eventually, the Northwest Territories government would be able to make a determination like that. Currently, discussions would have to take place with the federal government on a special economic zone through, perhaps, CanNor. Those are discussions that could take place.

I know the issue was raised, certainly with the leadership in the Sahtu, and through our Economic Opportunities Strategy that we’re moving forward, we believe there perhaps is some opportunity there to take a look at what is happening in the central Mackenzie and treat it accordingly.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister, due to the amount of winter road jamming of the semi-trucks, I want to ask the Minister, is he asking the GNWT Cabinet Ministers to look at some more investments into the Mackenzie Valley winter road, or even to looking at advancing the Mackenzie Valley Highway because of the potential that’s happening in the Sahtu.

Certainly, everybody was paying close attention to the weather conditions and the fact that there’s a lot of heavy equipment moving on the winter road in the Sahtu and down the Mackenzie Valley. Nothing says we need an all-weather road more than the activity that’s happening there. There were a couple of unfortunate incidents. The Department of Transportation has put a lot of time and effort into clearing those up, those situations up. We’ve taken some measures to get more highway patrol officers out there to ensure that equipment is moving in a coordinated fashion. We’re working with industry to see that happen.

But certainly, we have the beginnings of this Mackenzie Valley all-weather road in the Tuk-Inuvik highway. We’re anxious to see that project move forward. Again, if the commercialization of that Canol shale oil play is there and it can get into production, I think that changes a lot of things, and again, the discussion with industry will continue to happen.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Bromley.

QUESTION 14-17(4): EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of ECE. I spoke today about the valuable deliberations and insight shared at the recent Improving Our Children’s Future Conference on early childhood development. The momentum is here and now. Can the Minister say when we will be getting a report on the lessons gained at the conference and his proposals for actions as a result? Mahsi.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Lafferty.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The recommendations and the report should be available within the next few months. I was hoping to deliver that by the end of March or early April. That’s the target, in a draft format. Then in the May-June session, I would like to table the document. That is the target date.

I’m working closely with the Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Beaulieu, on this particular piece of work. It’s a very important document that’s before us and we had a lot of input from the general public of the Northwest Territories, the stakeholders, the elders, the parents. It is a document that will be tabled in this House.

Thanks to the Minister. I’m wondering if that report will actually be the early childhood development framework, and if so, a considerable amount of expertise was brought up for the conference, and of course, we have our own exceptionally qualified Dr. Andre Corriveau expert. Will all of this expertise be available to help guide the development of this document? I’m assuming we’re talking about the framework here.

That’s correct. Dr. Andre Corriveau is the lead when it comes to dealing with the experts, the stakeholders. He also led the team, the group, during the engagement with the community, general public. It is part of the framework that has been over a decade. There haven’t been any changes. So that is before us and that is what I was referring to. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Thanks to the Minister. The lack of promised on-the-ground resource centre programs in Ndilo is disappointing at the end of the year here. I know one kafuffle is that it had been the Minister’s insistence that it be a one-year-only program and who would want to invest effort in a flash in the pan kind of program when consistent long-term programs are obviously what’s required.

Given the failure to date, how can the full year allocation of funds for this project in Ndilo possibly be spent in a responsible way in the next few weeks before year end? Mahsi.

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that, of course, my department is working closely with Ndilo and also Tulita, and dealing with the family resource centres. With Ndilo over the past several months, they have been working on establishing a child and family resource centre and will be getting implementation. We have been diligently working with them. My understanding, also, is that $125,000 funding has been allocated last fall. Those are just some of the initiatives that have been worked on, but I can provide the latest update to the Member from my department. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the dollars have been allocated but not handed over. There is a major difference there.

Two family resource initiatives were announced, the other being in Tulita. Can the Minister tell me what the status of this work is and are funds going to the communities on these pilot programs as well? Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, the information I have is they received $125,000, but I will double check with my department. The funds should be flowing to the organization to start implementing their establishment. I can assure the Member that I will follow through with this and get back to the Member. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

QUESTION 15-17(4): FEDERAL FUNDING FOR HIGHWAY INFRASTRUCTURE

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my colleagues from Sahtu and Nahendeh about the extension of the Mackenzie Valley Highway from Wrigley and Norman Wells, given the level of economic activity going on in the Sahtu and the projected level of activity, not wanting to rain on anybody’s parade, but I have to ask the question.

Inuvik-Tuk, I know the federal government is talking about putting 75 percent of that money into that road, but in your recent trips to Ottawa and in your recent discussions, has the idea ever surfaced of putting a higher priority on the Wrigley-Norman Wells portion of the road over the Inuvik-Tuk portion? I’d like to ask the Minister of Transportation or the Premier, I guess, has that ever been considered, given the level of activity in the Sahtu at this time. Thank you.