Debates of June 12, 2012 (day 14)

Date
June
12
2012
Session
17th Assembly, 3rd Session
Day
14
Speaker
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Hon. Tom Beaulieu, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Blake, Mr. Bouchard, Mr. Bromley, Mr. Dolynny, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Jackie Jacobson, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. Menicoche, Hon. Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Moses, Mr. Nadli, Hon. David Ramsay, Mr. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements
Speaker: MR. AUMOND

Thank you, Madam Chair. It’s hard to pin down exactly how much of this is due to less revenues coming from Nunavut than expected, but in the neighbourhood of maybe about $2.1 million.

I guess a supplemental question to the Nunavut question is: Are we receiving payments on time and are our accounts in good order or good standing with the Government of Nunavut?

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Madam Chair. We don’t have that level of detail before us today, with that arrangement that exists with Justice.

The other element with respect to this corrections amount has to do, I believe, with related food costs. Can the Minister indicate if we would anticipate seeing a relatively similar appropriation here next year as a result relating to food costs or is this just a one-time factor?

Justice has been receiving forced growth, so at this point it would be too early to tell if there’s going to be a requirement depending on population counts, price increases and those other factors. Thank you.

I guess the question begs to be asked. I mean, we know Bill C-10, not in effect but, obviously, could have a compounding affect if and when it does come in, and it possibly would come within the life of this budget. Have we made good main estimates to, I guess, forecast potential increases as a result of C-10, and if so, again my question is, are we anticipating shortfalls in corrections for food costs? Again, I’m trying to make sure that our estimates are as best that we can without having to see these shortfalls.

The Minister of Justice recently released a document outlining some of the projected impacts of Bill C-10, and I’ll ask the Minister if he would like to speak a bit to some of the projections that are being made. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Minister Abernethy.

Thank you, Madam Chair. The analysis that we’ve done shows that we could increase as much as 11 inmates over a year period and the cost of that is projected to be around $53,000, which includes all the costs that would be coming with that, food, time, staff. We don’t see it as a significant cost, but we also don’t anticipate that kind of hit during this fiscal year. We’re halfway through this fiscal year, or almost halfway through this fiscal year, and the provisions of Bill C-10 haven’t come into effect yet, so we’re not affected yet. When they do, they will take some time to get through the court system, so we don’t see some of the major hits hitting us in ’12-13. We do see in ’13-14, if our projections are right, it could cost us $53,000 more a year overall, but we should be able to accommodate that in our budgeting process.

Thank you, Minister Abernethy. I would like to remind Members, we’re talking about fiscal year 2010-2011. Mr. Dolynny.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I’m very much aware of that. With the 2012-2013 Main Estimates there was a forced growth calculation of about $897,000 for the similar expenses. What I’m hearing today – and just more of a correction of a yes or no – we could be anticipating $50,000 to $60,000 delta regarding similar expenses for this budget if everything is according to what we know today. Is that a yes or no?

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Aumond.

Speaker: MR. AUMOND

Thank you, Madam Chair. The shortfall from, I think, corrections, is a result of less revenue forecasted from Nunavut, is really the $800,000 that the Member is referring to. We expect that that gap has been closed and we should be able to see some stable management from an expenditure standpoint, all other things being equal from this point on. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Aumond. Are there any questions from any other Members? Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No 4, 2010-2011, Justice, operations expenditures, community justice and corrections, not previously authorized, $1.915 million. Total department, $1.915 million. Are we agreed?

Agreed.

Move on to page 4, Education, Culture and Employment, operations expenditures, advanced education and careers, not previously authorized, $3.839 million. Total department, not previously authorized, $3.839 million.

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. That concludes Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 4, 2010-2011. Are we agreed that we have concluded this document?

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. I’d like to thank the witnesses for their attendance here today. Sergeant-at-Arms, if you could please escort the witnesses from the Chamber. Mr. Dolynny

COMMITTEE MOTION 13-17(3): CONCURRENCE OF TABLED DOCUMENT 18-17(3), SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (OPERATIONS EXPENDITURES), NO. 4, 2010-2011, CARRIED

Thank you, Madam Chair. I move that consideration of Tabled Document 18-17(3), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 4, 2010-2011, be now concluded and that Tabled Document 18-17(3) be reported and recommended as ready for further consideration in formal session through the form of an appropriation bill. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Question.

The motion is carried.

---Carried

Mrs. Groenewegen, what is the wish of committee?

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to move that we report progress.

---Carried

I will rise and report progress.

Report of Committee of the Whole

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Your committee has been considering Tabled Document 17-17(3), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 7, 2010-2011; and Tabled Document 18-17(3), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 4, 2010-2011, and would like to report progress with two motions being adopted and that consideration of Tabled Document 17-13(3) and Tabled Document 18-17(3) are concluded and that the House concur in those estimates and that two appropriation bills to be based thereon be introduced without delay. I move that the report of Committee of the Whole be concurred with. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Do you have a seconder? Thank you, Mr. Bouchard.

---Carried

Orders of the Day

Speaker: Mr. Mercer

  Mr. Speaker, orders of the day for Wednesday, June 13, 2012, at 1:30 p.m.:

Prayer

Ministers’ Statements

Members’ Statements

Returns to Oral Questions

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Acknowledgements

Oral Questions

Written Questions

Returns to Written Questions

Replies to Opening Address

Petitions

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

Tabling of Documents

Notices of Motion

Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills

Motions

Motion 12-17(3), Mental Health Court Diversion Measures

First Reading of Bills

Bill 6, Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2012-2013

Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Judicature Act

Bill 8, An Act to Amend the Securities Act

Second Reading of Bills

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tabled Document 2-17(3), Commissioner’s Opening Address: Creating the Conditions for Success

Bill 1, An Act to Amend the Student Financial Assistance Act

Bill 3, An Act to Amend the Human Rights Act

Committee Report 1-17(3), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2010-2011 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories

Committee Report 2-17(3), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2010-2011 Annual Report of the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report

Report of Committee of the Whole

Third Reading of Bills

Orders of the Day

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Accordingly, this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, June 13, 2012, at 1:30 p.m.

---ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 4:12 p.m.