Debates of June 5, 2014 (day 36)

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QUESTION 365-17(5): PUPIL-TEACHER RATIO AND JUNIOR KINDERGARTEN FUNDING

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will continue the conversation and questions about junior kindergarten that my colleagues have been asking for the last couple of weeks. There’s a lot of frustration and it’s almost to the point where, you know, we’re very frustrated with the process. My questions for the Minister today are the pupil-teacher ratio that he indicates 16 to 1, is this a ratio that each school will be looked at independently or is he looking at the complete authority at a 16 to 1 ratio, because there’s a big discrepancy between the smaller centres and the larger centres in what the ratios are.

Is the Minister going to commit to doing the pupil-teacher ratio in every school?

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. We have to follow the act, as well, the Education Act, which does speak to territorial-wide PTR of 16 to 1. That’s the legislation level that we’re working with that’s before us. We’ll continue to work with the school boards at that level. Mahsi.

Mr. Speaker, that’s part of the difficulty and the fact that if you’re dealing with a small centre and you only have three or four students, then that ratio is thrown off completely in some of the bigger communities, Fort Smith and Hay River, for example, in the South Slave, where the ratios may be 25 or 30 to 1.

I’m just wondering if the Minister could look at individuals, especially on the implementation of junior kindergarten.

Mr. Speaker, I did commit to providing additional new money to those educational authorities that exceed 16 to 1. Those are areas that we’ll look at. Then again, we have to keep in mind the Education Act. It’s territorial-wide PTR and it is 16 to 1.

Yellowknife came at us with additional potential students projected, so we looked at that. Other community schools, other regions, those are discussions that we’ve had with them as well. Mahsi.

Again, the same question is the difficulty in the fact that when you have an authority, such as the South Slave District Authority, where there are small communities, large communities and medium-sized communities, those ratios are thrown off by some of the ratios in the smaller communities where there is maybe only three or four students to one teacher, whereas in the bigger centres you have 25 or 30 students. That 16 to 1, in theory, should be held accountable to every school, let’s say every local district education authority at least.

Is the Minister willing to look at that opportunity for the larger centres that have been thrown off by the smaller ratios?

Mr. Speaker, in order to do that, we need to change our legislation, the territorial-wide PTR, so I would have to come back to this House to do that. Mahsi.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bouchard.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ll continue on the PTR. I’m just wondering if the Minister can give me a definition of what PTR includes, because there are questions of whether our principals, vice-principals and classroom assistants are included in PTR. Are they included in the PTR?

Mr. Speaker, the number of educators used to calculate the PTR includes regular classroom teachers, principals, assistant principals and program support staff. It’s important to know that Aboriginal language and culture specialists are excluded from this PTR. Those are just some of the highlights. The principals are covered. Mahsi.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Member for Deh Cho, Mr. Nadli.