Debates of March 9, 2015 (day 73)

Date
March
9
2015
Session
17th Assembly, 5th Session
Day
73
Speaker
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Hon. Tom Beaulieu, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Blake, Mr. Bouchard, Mr. Bromley, Mr. Dolynny, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Jackie Jacobson, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. Menicoche, Hon. Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Moses, Mr. Nadli, Hon. David Ramsay, Mr. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is part of the original bundle. We had started the Detah road with capital. We put capital into the first section of it, and it was an opportunity to finish off the Detah access road using Building Canada Funds where we thought we would achieve some cost sharing, so we moved it into Building Canada. We only need it for one year, then we’re finished that access road.

Mr. Chair, that’s good. Thank you.

General comments. Mr. Yakeleya.

I just wanted to ask, the Minister mentioned a second bundle, is there a third bundle? I just wish there was some news on the Mackenzie Valley Highway. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Again, we’ll turn it over to the Minister of Transportation, Minister Beaulieu.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are currently working on the second bundle, which includes some work that wasn’t on our highways but is some access road money. So that second bundle is something that we are currently putting together. We’re trying to put the bundles together that are just under $100 million. Of course, there will be a third bundle, as well, which is going to be mostly bridges, then there will be a fourth bundle, which is the completion of this current bundle, the first bundle.

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Mr. Yakeleya.

A bundle of money, Mr. Chair. Okay, I’ll leave that and I’ll figure that out.

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. General comments. Is committee prepared to go into detail?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. Committee, if I could turn your attention to page 5 of the supplementary estimates. Health and Social Services, capital investment expenditures, administrative and support services, not previously authorized, negative $2 million. Total department, not previously authorized, negative $2 million. Does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. Page 6, Industry, Tourism and Investment, capital investment expenditures, minerals and petroleum resources, not previously authorized, $3.621 million. Total department, not previously authorized, $3.621 million. Is committee agreed?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Page 7, Lands, capital investment expenditures, corporate management, not previously authorized, $274,000. Total department, not previously authorized, $274,000. Does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Page 8, Transportation, capital investment expenditures. Ms. Bisaro.

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I have a question here with regards to the total amount of money. The budget indicates that the net impact on government operations is nil because this says $28.5 million is totally offset by federal funding. There is a cost sharing between the federal and territorial governments, is my understanding with this Build Canada Fund. What is the percentage of cost share, please? Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Minister Miltenberger.

Seventy-five federal, 25 territorial. Thank you.

Thanks to the Minister. What I’m trying to understand is this $28.5 million is presumably the 75 percent, because it’s going to be offset by funding from the federal government, so where is our 25 percent share? Thank you.

Our matching dollars were in the capital plan that was approved in November. Thank you.

Thanks to the Minister. So, the total cost of these projects is not $28.5 million is my guess. The total cost is 25 percent more than this. Is that correct? Thanks.

Thanks, Ms. Bisaro. We’ll go to Mr. Kalgutkar.

Speaker: MR. KALGUTKAR

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That is correct. The total investment in this first bundle is in addition to the 75 that the feds are putting in is the 25 percent of our share as well. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Kalgutkar. Ms. Bisaro.

Thanks. I guess my last question would be: What is the total cost of this bundle of projects? Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Minister of Transportation, Mr. Beaulieu.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess the best way to answer the question is that the total cost of this bundle here is $96 million. What we’re doing is we have the bundle divided into four fiscal years. In this year, the $28 million, we will be trying to load as much of the federal money, the Building Canada funding, to the front end of this agreement as possible. But at the end of the day, it’s going to be spread out over 10 years.

I don’t have the matching number here, but I could get that information for committee.

Thank you, Minister Beaulieu. Ms. Bisaro.

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Thanks to the Minister. I think I understand.

I just have one last comment. I was somewhat dismayed to hear the Minister say that in the next bundle it’s going to be mostly bridges. It’s already decided what’s going in the next bundle and it hasn’t even been brought before any Members on this side of the House to have any kind of an input. We didn’t have much input into this bundle and where this money was going, and it sounds like it’s already decided where the next several bundles are going, so I have to express my dismay. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. We’ll treat that as a comment. Committee, we’re on page 8, Transportation, capital investment expenditures, highways, not previously authorized, $29.719 million. Total department, not previously authorized, $29.719 million. Does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. Does committee agree that consideration of Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2015-2016 is concluded?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. Ms. Bisaro.

COMMITTEE MOTION 105-17(4): CONCURRENCE OF TD 207-17(5), SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (INFRASTRUCTURE EXPENDITURES), NO. 1, 2015-2016, CARRIED

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I move that consideration of Tabled Document 207-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2015-2016, be now concluded and that Tabled Document 207-17(5) be reported and recommended as ready for further consideration in formal session through the form of an appropriation bill. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. We’re just circulating the motion.

The motion is in order. To the motion.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question.

Question has been called. The motion is carried.

---Carried

I would like to thank our witnesses for joining us today. Mr. Kalgutkar and Mr. Aumond, thank you for joining us again. If I could get the Sergeant-at-Arms to please escort the witnesses out of the Chamber. Ms. Bisaro, what is the wish of committee?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I move we report progress.

---Carried

I will now rise and report progress.

Report of Committee of the Whole

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Your committee has been considering Tabled Document 188-17(5), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2015-2016; Tabled Document 205-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 5, 2014-2015; Tabled Document 206-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2014-2015; Tabled Document 207-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2015-2016, and would like to report progress with four motions being adopted and that consideration of Tabled Documents 188-17(5), 205-17(5), 206-17(5) and 207-17(5) are concluded and that the House concur to those estimates and that an appropriation bill based thereon and be introduced without delay. I move that the report of Committee of the Whole be concurred with. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Do I have a seconder? Mrs. Groenewegen.

---Carried

Orders of the Day

Speaker: Mr. Mercer

Orders of the day for Tuesday, March 10, 2015, at 1:30 p.m.:

Prayer

Ministers’ Statements

Members’ Statements

Returns to Oral Questions

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Acknowledgements

Oral Questions

Written Questions

Returns to Written Questions

Replies to Opening Address

Petitions

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

Tabling of Documents

Notices of Motion

Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills

Motions

First Reading of Bills

Bill 48, An Act to Amend the Mental Health Act

Second Reading of Bills

Bill 49, An Act to Amend the Deh Cho Bridge Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bill 12, Northern Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Act

Bill 36, Health and Social Services Professions Act

Committee Report 10-17(5), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2013-2014 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories

Committee Report 11-17(5), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of Bill 12: Northern Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Act

Committee Report 12-17(5), Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Review of Bill 36: Health and Social Services Professions Act

Report of Committee of the Whole

Third Reading of Bills

Orders of the Day

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Accordingly, this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, March 10th, at 1:30 p.m.

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The House adjourned at 5:53 p.m.