I understand that it could be a combination of both, both inside the fence and outside. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.
Well, I'll take the Minister at his word, which was "could," but have the residents in that subdivision, are they aware that there will be potentially cameras observing them, or is that not within the scope of this project? Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Minister.
I don't think the cameras will be placed in a place where they'll be observing the normal residents in their houses, no.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.
I hope what the Minister thinks is in fact correct. I'm thinking if they're going to be putting cameras on poles so they have a wider radius, you know, those type of features, but perhaps I'll follow up in more detail. The other question I had pertains to the Territorial Women's Correctional Centre in Smith. These upgrades, do they satisfy the recommendations of the Auditor General in the recent report on corrections? Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Minister.
Yes, thank you. We're not talking about upgrades; we're talking about a totally new building, and I do understand that the new facility will satisfy the concerns of the Auditor General in the report. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.
Just to speak to my colleague's comments on the rationale for building a rather large facility based on our female inmate population. Was their policy rationale in developing this facility based on those reports or was there something else at work that saw the construction of the brand new facility? Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Minister.
Yes, the requirement for the building is obvious for anybody that's been in Fort Smith. The current women's facility was, I think, built in the 1960s, so I think that the examination as to whether it was needed was done some time ago even before the Auditor General's report. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. There are two transfer vans on the capital plan as well for corrections' personnel. Is this the extent of the fleet, shall we say, for corrections in regards to prisoner transport after these two come into place and the previous two used are retired? Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Minister.
Yes, I understand that that is correct, that the two new transfer vans will replace two older ones.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.
Nothing further, Mr. Chair. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Nadli.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. My question relates to the proposed initiative in terms of improvements to the probation office security tenant improvement on the Hay River Reserve. I'm just trying to get an understanding in terms of the timeline of the work that could be completed. I just wanted to see if the Minister could clarify that indeed the project is slated for completion in 2018 and perhaps the Minister could provide some details in terms of the scope of the renovations that could take place on the leased area. Mahsi.
Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Mr. Minister.
Yes, I understand that the plan is that it will be completed in 2018-2019. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nadli.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, I just wanted to clarify that we’re talking about the K’atlodeeche Reserve. I understand the Department of Justice has leased space there and they're looking at renovating to provide more security for both clients and the officers, that's what presupposed. My second question is: would there be staff working out of Hay River or staff resident on the reserve? In terms of the probation officer. Mahsi.
Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Mr. Minister.
Just to expand on my previous answer. I understand that the space will be approximately 60 metres square. I understand also that the plan is that there's a retirement coming up and this will be staffed by someone who will be on the reserve. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nadli.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd like to thank the Minister for clarifying that. Just in terms of long-term, I just wanted to come to an understanding: what is the plan of the Department of Justice in terms of working to ensure that this probation officer working on the K’atlodeeche Reserve in the future plans in terms of long-term; whether indeed a fully staffed person could be resident from the reserve and for the reserve? Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Mr. Minister.
I think the only thing we can say at this point that it will be a full-time position. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nadli.
Full-time employed or a full-time/part-time? Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Mr. Minister.
Full-time employed. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nadli.
Yes. So, I mean, the reply that the Minister provided and given us a sure indication that the project in terms of the lease space perhaps was six metres by six metres or so for a probation officer, and that is supposed to be completed by 2017, is that also indicating that the position will run until 2017 or 2018? Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Mr. Minister.
This is just the capital cost for the space. The space is 60 metres squared, which could be 10 metres by six metres, so it's a little bigger than the Member was contemplating. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nadli.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think the question I was asking is: I understand the lease is going to be completed in terms of making it more secure for the probation officer to work on the reserve with perhaps a client, and it's going to be completed by 2017-2018. Now the position of the probation officer, I'm really presupposing that person would be working out of the Hay River district office and would that position run till 2017 or 2018? If not, is there a long-term plan in terms of working out of the K’atlodeeche Reserve in terms of the probation officer? Mahsi.
Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Mr. Minister.
Perhaps Ms. Schofield could answer that question.
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Schofield.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Currently, the K’atlodeeche is serviced by a probation officer out of Hay River. That position, or the incumbent in that position, will be retiring in 2018, at which time the position will be filled as a full-time position in the community. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, Ms. Schofield. Mr. Nadli.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. No further questions.
Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Anything further? Mr. Vanthuyne.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm going to go back to the Territorial Female Correction Centre. Can the department share with us what the current incarceration numbers are for the current women's detention centre in Fort Smith? Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Mr. Minister.
