Debates of February 21, 2017 (day 57)

Date
February
21
2017
Session
18th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
57
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Blake, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Ms. Green, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. McNeely, Hon. Alfred Moses, Mr. Nadli, Mr. Nakimayak, Mr. O’Reilly, Hon. Wally Schumann, Hon. Louis Sebert, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Vanthuyne
Topics
Statements

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Deputy Minister Guy.

Speaker: MR. GUY

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Because we'll be operating a marine transportation service on a cost-recover basis, we're hoping that we'll keep costs consistent with what they have been prior to the service going out of business. If you turn back to what we were paying two or three years ago, that's the range we're looking to be in. The purchase of marine transportation services would fall under "costs of goods sold" on this page. I think last year was in the $3 to $4 million range; it can be as high as $5 or $6 million depending on how much particular fuel we're transporting. We don't see any impact for this fiscal year going on that part of this page. We think it will be business as usual for the Petroleum Products Fund. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Guy. Mr. O'Reilly.

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Okay, I'll continue to watch the balance in this fund closely. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Do we have anything further on these information items? Technology Service Centre, Public Stores Revolving Fund, Petroleum Products Revolving Fund, these commitments and work performed on behalf of others.

I see no further comments or questions. Committee, please return back to the departmental total found on page 221. Feel free to discuss any of the items on pages starting at 216 to 223. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. If we go over to page 222 in the revenue summary under the general lease, airports lease rental revenues. Can the department explain how much of the $3,229,000 is Yellowknife Airport, please? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will turn it over to the deputy of Transportation, Mr. Neudorf.

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Neudorf.

Speaker: MR. NEUDORF

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The majority of the money reported underneath that line item is actually from the Yellowknife Airport, so about $2.5 million of the $3.2 million would be generated at Yellowknife Airport. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Neudorf. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to the department for the answer. I noticed that in the previous category that we just discussed, work on behalf of others, there is the baggage handling, I think, that we did for a certain amount of money, $93,000 or what have you. We have it here as well, Yellowknife Airport hold baggage system for $127,000. Can we get an explanation from the department what that is, please?

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Mr. Neudorf.

Speaker: MR. NEUDORF

Thank you, Mr. Chair. On page 247, the whole baggage system there, that is money that we get from the airlines themselves and it is to facilitate the operation of the baggage system. So sometimes that baggage system will jam up and we will need to send some people in to get that unjammed, and so we have a contract with our janitorial staff in order to do that. So that is on 248; and on 222, the $127,000 is actually the operating cost to run the NAV Canada portion of that baggage system, so all of the bags that are picked up at the counter, go behind the system, go through the various security checks of CATSA, and they pay a portion of the operating costs for that baggage system; that is what is reported on this page. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Neudorf. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under airports landing and other fees, of course we see what I am going to assume is the proposed revenue generated from a user fee that makes this pot increase by $10 million this year. Maybe I will start first by getting clarification: is my assumption correct? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister.

Yes, that is correct. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Okay, thank you. Previous to that, in 2016-17 on the same line item, we show a considerable jump from $3.6 million into 2016-17 to $6 million and then, of course, back down to $3 million last year. Can I get some explanation from the department on what the up-and-down is there? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Mr. Neudorf.

Speaker: MR. NEUDORF

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Historically the number in that line item has been between $3 million and $3.5 million, so assume a base of $3.1 million in 2016-17. So when we brought forward the Yellowknife Airport Revolving Fund Initiative we were planning on $3 million incremental revenue in 2016-17 and then $7 million in 2017-18, an additional $7 million to get to $10 million. With deferral of the start of that, you will see the revised main estimate go down to $3.1 million.

So we took that $3 million out of 2016-17 and added all the $10 million into 2017-18. I would note that we will carry forward this session, we will have the discussion of the revolving fund, and if we are going ahead with that then we will need to come back to FMB with an adjustment. There will be a number of adjustments that are required to the main estimates in order to properly reflect what is going to be the accounting for the revolving fund and the Yellowknife Airport. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Neudorf. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I appreciate the explanation. Thank you. Permits and registrations, we see an increase of nearly $1 million from the year previous. I would just like to ask: how do we generate this kind of revenue? What is permits and registrations -- and a broad answer is fine -- and for what reasons did it jump by $1 million? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Mr. Neudorf.

Speaker: MR. NEUDORF

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Permits and registrations are the revenues that we would collect from individuals and from commercial carriers to register vehicles and then to issue permits for commercial vehicles in particular to operate on the highway system.

The number is going up by $900,000 because we are undertaking an initiative now to look at our fees and bring some of those fees, particularly related to commercial carriers, more in line with southern Canada, and Alberta in particular. Our numbers when we did the analysis here show that by doing that we could generate an additional $900,000 a year in revenue. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Neudorf. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think those are all the questions I have at this time. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Anything further to total department or the revenue summary, active position summary? Mr. Beaulieu.

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I move that committee defer further consideration.

As a technicality, I will call this department and then you may proceed with your motion. Department of Infrastructure, total department, $240,419,000. Does committee agree? Mr. Beaulieu.

Committee Motion 59-18(2): Tabled Document 261-18(2): Main Estimates 2017-2018, Infrastructure, Deferral of Further Consideration of the Estimates for the Department of Infrastructure, Carried

Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that committee defer further consideration of the estimates for the Department of Infrastructure at this time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. There is a motion on the floor. The motion is being distributed.

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Question

Question has been called. The motion is in order and non-debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed?

---Carried

We will defer the consideration of this department. What is the wish of committee, Mr. Beaulieu?

Mr. Chairman, I move that the Chair rise and report progress.

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. I will excuse the witnesses. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses from the Chamber. Thank you for appearing. There is a motion to report progress. The motion is in order and non-debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed?

---Carried

I will now rise and report progress.

Report of Committee of the Whole

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Tabled Document 261-18(2), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2017-2018 and would like to report progress with four motions adopted. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the Committee of the Whole be concurred with. Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Do I have a seconder? Member for Hay River South.

---Carried

Orders of the Day

Speaker: Mr. Mercer

Orders of the day for Wednesday, February 22, 2017, at 1:30 p.m.:

Prayer

Ministers' Statements

Members' Statements

Returns to Oral Questions

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Acknowledgements

Oral Questions

Written Questions

Returns to Written Questions

Replies to Commissioner's Opening Address

Petitions

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

Tabling of Documents

Notices of Motion

Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills

Motions

First Reading of Bills

Second Reading of Bills

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

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Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Revolving Funds Act

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Bill 13, Marriage Act

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Committee Report 6-18(2), Report on the Review of Bill 7: An Act to Amend the Revolving Funds Act

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Tabled Document 261-18(2), Northwest Territories Main Estimates, 2017-2018

Report of Committee of the Whole

Third Reading of Bills

Orders of the Day

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Wednesday, February 22, 2017, at 1:30 p.m.

---ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 6:02 p.m.