Debates of February 28, 2017 (day 60)

Date
February
28
2017
Session
18th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
60
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Blake, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Ms. Green, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. McNeely, Hon. Alfred Moses, Mr. Nadli, Mr. Nakimayak, Mr. O'Reilly, Hon. Wally Schumann, Hon. Louis Sebert, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Vanthuyne
Topics
Statements

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The multi-sport games, actually, we still have it in our mains, and the budget is $500,000 that we have in our mains, separate from the lottery funding.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Mackenzie Delta.

Question 654-18(2): Aklavik Road Repairs

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a follow-up to my Member's statement. I have a couple of questions for the Minister of MACA. I would like to ask the Minister: how are we applying modern research and technology to some of the longstanding flooding and erosion problems that challenge the community of Aklavik? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Currently, the maintenance, the repair, and the replacement of roads actually is the responsibility of the Hamlet of Aklavik. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs supports the community government to prepare capital plans, and within those capital plans, we identify climate change as an area of concern, and then the community actually decides what they're going to do. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Will the Minister look into these much-needed repairs with the department and the community to see if we can come up with the solution for this erosion?

Like I said, the Hamlet of Aklavik is responsible for their maintenance and their repair of their roads. The hamlet has spent the last three to five years focusing on the road upgrades and drainage work. They have also hired a contractor within their community to look at the effects of climate change.

The community has done a lot of great work with the drainage in the community through the capital plan, but to put more material along the riverbanks which is stopping erosion, there are a couple of areas where there is no repair along the bank to slow down the process of erosion. To put this material down, there is more funding needed to put this in place. Will the department ensure that the community has enough funding to do this work, hopefully before the spring?

In April 2015, the federal government established a National Disaster Mitigation Program with small communities; communities can apply to deal with the effects of climate change or other natural disasters. In the fall of 2016, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, actually on behalf of Aklavik, we submitted a funding request for $255,000 to create a mitigation plan that will identify the measures designed to reduce or eliminate the impact of shoreline erosion. This funding is expected to be confirmed in the next couple of weeks, and once the approval is in, we will start work early in 2017-18.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Sahtu.

Question 655-18(2): Housing Engagement Survey

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Housing here this afternoon. As we move forward for the housing survey that is under way, there is one conducted in the fiscal year of 2009, my question to the Minister is: is that old material, or some of that recommendations or surveys that came out going to be utilized for this survey? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Minister for Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am making the assumption that the 2009 survey that the MLA is referring to is the Federal Needs Assessment Survey that was done. They do it every five years, so there was one done in 2009. I believe there was one done in 2014 as well. Some of that information will be taken into consideration; however, this survey is different than the Federal Housing Engagement Survey. This survey is to identify from the residents of the Northwest Territories, what they see for their own specific communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My next question is: once this information is compiled, or this survey is compiled with the head office, will it be finalized in concert with the regional office to make sure that it is a regional survey plan as identified by the prior needs and suggestions?

As part of doing this survey we have committed that we would provide the findings of this survey to all municipal governments and all Aboriginal governments. They will have a What We Heard report identifying exactly what was said within their own communities.

If the regional offices are going to have a forum or have a gathering on the final draft of a regional review, would some of the community leaders such as the mayors or the presidents of land corporations or the chiefs of the bands be invited to have some input on the final regional draft?

Currently, our commitment is that we would provide the findings of the survey to the Aboriginal and municipal governments. If they wanted to provide some feedback to us, we would be open to receiving it. However, we have asked each municipal government and each Aboriginal government to fill in the survey, not only independently but as a group, individual groups. We have them identified within the survey, so we will be taking the feedback from the municipalities and the Aboriginal governments and we will be considering that impact as well within our survey. Will I be doing another open house on this? No, Mr. Speaker. We need to get to work. It is time. The survey is finished. We need to get down and do the work now.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Sahtu.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My last question here is: compiled information is very valuable on the preplanning of the objectives needed for the region. Would the Minister consider sharing this information with some of the regional organizations to develop a bilateral approach for the needs on a possible federal submission? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once all of the results in the survey are compiled, which we are in the process of doing right at this moment, we will be tabling the document. At that point, it can be used for whatever people would like to use it for.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Question 656-18(2): Lobbyist Registry Proposal

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my honourable friend, the Member for Frame Lake, had some questions about a lobbyist registry and lobbyists in the Northwest Territories. I am wondering if the Minister responsible for Public Engagement and Transparency can indicate if this government continues to hold the position that a lobbyist registry is not required in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Minister responsible for Public Engagement and Transparency.

Yes, Mr. Speaker. This government does maintain that position. We simply don't feel that is necessary as a small jurisdiction, and also there is, of course, a considerable amount of information regarding our contacts with those outside of the government that is provided. Thank you.

Can the Minister elaborate on why the size of our jurisdiction does not require to know who is influencing government decision-making? Apart from a list of meetings that is published by choice, there is nothing in legislation that requires an increased level of scrutiny on who the government is talking to. We have industry here. We have the involvement of large corporations involved in the resource sector. Is this not a priority, that our citizens be informed of who our decision makers are meeting with when they are outside of this building? I would like to hear an answer from the Minister.

Yes. Information regarding Cabinet's meetings with those in the industry, of course, can be known. We simply do not feel it is necessary, at this time, to have a public registry that would doubtless involve some costs, and may actually involve hiring someone to run or take care of the registry. We simply don't feel that it is necessary. We think we are providing the type of information that is required to the public.

I know the Minister likes to be fiscally prudent along with his Cabinet colleagues. The Minister said that he believes that is sufficient to maintain public confidence. How is he coming to that conclusion? Has he consulted with the people of the Northwest Territories on the subject of a lobbyist registry? How do we know this for sure? Has any consultation been performed on behalf of his portfolio to gauge what the public is looking for, for increased public accountability from this government?

I haven't had any formal engagement with the public at large. I can advise, however, that around this table, the Cabinet is extremely experienced in this matter. We are very experienced and competent Ministers. We have discussed this. Our position simply is, as you have heard earlier, that the present manner of dealing with contact between Cabinet Ministers and industry is sufficient.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am certainly not questioning the competency of our Cabinet Ministers. That is not what is at stake here. What is at stake here is maintaining the confidence that decision-making is publicly recorded. The many lobbyists of jurisdictions have lobbyist registries that provide a certificate that says what a lobbyist is going to be doing, who they are speaking to, and reports of communications between government and their clients. I guess I continue to fail to understand why this isn't required for our jurisdiction. We have a rather large budget at our disposal. How we spend that money, how we make decisions about changing regulations and supporting those industries is important, but equally important is that people have confidence that their decision-makers are making decisions on behalf of Northerners, for Northerners and not on behalf of special interest groups. Again, if the Minister could educate me on why he is so certain that Northerners do not want this information to be publicly available to them, I would be happy to know. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This information is publicly available. We simply feel that a formal registry would be overly cumbersome.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake.

Question 657-18(2): Junior Kindergarten Funding and Implementation

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I am going to try to keep this quick. We had a briefing from the Minister of Education last week on junior kindergarten. There were still some unresolved issues around this full funding of junior kindergarten. Can the Minister tell this House and the public whether the inclusive schooling formula includes students who will be in junior kindergarten? Yes or no? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, it doesn't. The inclusive schooling is a different part of funding that focuses on the needs of the children. With the implementation and rollout of junior kindergarten in the 2017-18 academic year, we feel that four-year-olds coming into the education system have the sufficient supports of all staff who will be in the school setting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to thank the Minister for his short answer. Can the Minister tell this House and the public whether junior kindergarten students are included in the formula for Aboriginal language and culture funding for schools? Yes or no.

Once again, that is another part of funding that we provide through our programs. It is based on enrolment, so the ALCB funding will go up when enrolment in the schools go up. The majority of that funding actually goes to fund instructors who run cultural programs throughout the whole school and is available for all students. Our curriculum within junior kindergarten does have a cultural component, but the junior kindergarten program will also have access to all cultural programming and activity there. So that ALCB program is not directly linked to the funding with junior kindergarten.

I thank the Minister for his response. I think that was a no, but let's go on to busing. So can the Minister tell this House and the public: if the issue of increased costs for busing cannot be resolved, is he prepared to come forward to this House with a supplementary appropriation to make sure the school boards are not out? Yes or a no, Mr. Speaker, would be very helpful.

Currently, with the rollouts and the numbers that we're getting in with students who might be entering junior kindergarten, our funding formula for the schools will reflect what we have in contributions with the education authorities. Currently, our staff is working with the education boards and authorities to see how that funding is going to roll out. Busing is a topic in those discussions, and once we have a resolution and resolve how we're going to address that, we'll come back and we'll let the Member know.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I think that was a maybe.

---Laughter

We may have to pursue that further. So one last question: can the Minister confirm then that, when his department and he himself talks about full funding for junior kindergarten, that's really in reference to the current formulas which do not include junior kindergarten students? So full funding does not really include junior kindergarten students? Can the Minister say yes or no? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we did fully commit to fully funding junior kindergarten in the 2017-18 year, which does include junior kindergarten students, four-year-olds.

Tabling of Documents

Tabled Document 303-18(2): Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 3-18(2): Report on the Review of the 2014-2015 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document entitled "Government of the Northwest Territories' Response to Committee Report 3-18(2): Report on the Review of the 2014-2015 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Tabling of documents. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.