Debates of March 8, 2018 (day 22)

Date
March
8
2018
Session
18th Assembly, 3rd Session
Day
22
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Blake, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Ms. Green, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Hon. Alfred Moses, Mr. Nakimayak, Mr. O'Reilly, Hon. Wally Schumann, Hon. Louis Sebert, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Vanthuyne
Statements

Thank you. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for the update. Just to be clear, right now, there wouldn't be consideration for demolition of this asset? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Mr. Guy.

Speaker: MR. GUY

Thank you, Mr. Chair. At this point, that is obviously one of the options, but it is not our first choice right now. We are looking to see if there is an opportunity to repurpose that building and find a suitable use for it going forward. We are not at the decision where we would want to demolish that building. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That would be good if we could find another use for it. Is there a way in which the department is reaching out to folks, maybe some stakeholders or what have you, as it relates to the potential for what use we might be able to get out of that building? It is obviously a building that is architecturally designed so would be a great working space for a variety of groups. Is it potentially going to be just more government office space, not necessarily a bad thing? It may be an opportunity for an NGO or a non-profit of some kind. Is there any kind of consideration to who or how we might have a new tenant in that asset? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The first thing after we can figure out that this building is usable and what is going to be left of it, we would probably do a departmental search first and see if there is any use with any of the departments in the Government of the Northwest Territories. We would have to figure out what the incremental costs would be subject to them moving into there.

Thank you. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you. I guess lastly: what kind of resources are we going to put towards the short-term remedial work? When can Members expect to see information with regard to what kind of resources might be put towards it? In addition, what would be the long-term resources required? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Mr. Guy.

Speaker: MR. GUY

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In terms of the short-term remedial work, I believe we are in the procurement stage now. We will have costing on that in the next two to three weeks. In terms of the long-term cost and what it would cost to put that building back into service in some sort of useful way, we would probably be looking at late summer/early fall. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Guy. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can we just ask the Minister to make a commitment to get that information to us, not today, but as appropriate? When the time comes that the department has assimilated all that information, can they share it with committee at the appropriate time? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. When it is appropriate, we will share that information with the Members. Thank you.

Nothing further from Mr. Vanthuyne. Infrastructure, asset management, operations expenditure summary, activity total $73,631,000. Does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBER

Agreed.

Thank you, committee. Please continue to corporate management; it begins on page 244. Corporate management. Mr. Beaulieu.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Minister, on the Community Access Program, if the Minister could give me an indication if this program was fully utilized in 2017-2018. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes. The Community Access Program is fully subscribed. If the communities get all the work done and the receipts and stuff in, that is a different story. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Mr. Beaulieu.

Thank you. They have up until the end of this year to get the receipts in for payment. I take it all the applications up to the full amount were approved, and now they are just waiting for the invoicing portion of it, I take it? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Minister.

That is correct, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I wonder if the Minister could advise me, if the subscribing of the budget from the communities exceeds the money that is in the budget, if the department or the Minister would be willing to continue to take in applications for the program and fund it internally from elsewhere in the budget. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As long as I have been the Minister of Transportation, this program has always been oversubscribed. Our expenditures are tight on everything else in training to maintain the system of the Northwest Territories; so we will not fund from within on everything else. With the extra $500,000 that we are going to get, I suspect that that will be maxed out as we go forward, too. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Beaulieu.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I was including the extra $500,000. In the response earlier, then, does that mean that was fully subscribed to the $1 million as opposed to the $1.5 million? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Clarification, Minister?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess one of the things around this program is we get oversubscribed with these projects. We know quite in advance how much money has been asked for. As things move forward, for some reason or not, some of these communities don't come forward after they get their projects approved, so we tend to re-evaluate and move some projects up the list if some people don't get their project to the table and done in the time that they are allotted. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister. The question was: was the program subscribed to the $1 million or to the $1.5 million? Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, it is the $1.5 million. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Mr. Beaulieu.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have nothing further on this page.

Thank you. Further to corporate management. Mr. Beaulieu, the clock is still running, so I will allow you to keep commenting.

Sorry, Mr. Chairman. I thought that page 246 was a different task, but I see that it is just a different section. I have a question on the next page. On the local community roads, I am wondering if the Minister could briefly describe that program to me, that contribution. How does the contribution work? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's the way the title is, but that is actually the CAP program. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister. Would you please elaborate on CAP? Is that an acronym?

Community Access Program, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Beaulieu.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just to get it cleared up in my own mind, on page 245, we have the Community Access Program that we just exchanged on, the $1.5 million, and then, for local roads, it is also called CAP, and it provides a contribution. I am wondering if these are two different pots of money, or if this is the same pot of money. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Some clarification from the Minister? Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. On page 246, that is where we record the grants to the community, and the number of 1,480 is what we give the community, but there are also incremental costs there for travel and some other offset costs that raise it to $1.5 million. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Mr. Beaulieu.

Thank you. On page 245, we have a budget for CAP. On page 246, we have a contribution. Is this page the detail of the previous page? Mr. Chair, that is my question.