Debates of October 29, 2018 (day 45)

Date
October
29
2018
Session
18th Assembly, 3rd Session
Day
45
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Blake, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Ms. Green, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. McNeely, Hon. Alfred Moses, Mr. Nadli, Mr. Nakimayak, Mr. O'Reilly, Hon. Wally Schumann, Hon. Louis Sebert, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Vanthuyne
Topics
Statements

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Mr. Simpson.

Thank you. The carry-overs are $6.9 million? So there's $6.9 million worth of work that we approved that wasn't completed that is going to be carried over? Sorry. If I could just get a little bit of clarification here. If these are all new projects that we are looking at for this year, then that's all I need to know. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Minister Schumann.

2019-2020 on page 38. So everyone is on page 38. $3,102,000 are all new projects. Some of them are multi-year. Under the 2018-2019, the $6.891 million, 3.5 of that is carry-overs. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Mr. Simpson.

Thank you. Of the $6.891 million that was from last year, 3.5 of that is work that still needs to be done. Is that reflected in the project listing on pages 39 and 40? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Minister Schumann.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The pages 39 and 40 are everything that is listed under the $3.1 million. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Mr. Simpson.

Thank you. On page 38, there is the $6.891 million, and there is $3.5 million of that that is work that has not been completed that will be completed in the next fiscal year. That is my understanding so far. Will that then have to come forward as a supplementary if it is completed? I am just trying to follow the money. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Ms. Mujcin.

Speaker: MS. MUJCIN

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Any carryovers from the 2018-2019 fiscal year will be reflected through a supplementary appropriation in 2019-2020. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Mujcin. Mr. Simpson.

Thank you. Okay. We have $3.1 million this year, $3.5 from last year. That is $6.6 million worth of work. Is it all going to get done in 2019-2020? How can we be sure that we are not going to have another big carryover like this? Can we be sure it is going to get done? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Ms. Mujcin.

Speaker: MS. MUJCIN

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just to clarify, the carryovers that are reflected under the 2018-2019 revised estimates are for our carryover projects from 2017-2018. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Mujcin. Mr. Simpson.

No further questions.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Next on the list, we have Mr. McNeely.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My question is related to the proposed new park, which is incorporated into the Sahtu land claim, to turn the Canol Heritage Trail into a trail and transferred over to this government. I know in the past, there have been a number of discussions going back and forth, studies with the SSI group and the Tulita District Land Corporation. Within those studies, a large investment cost incurred by the federal government to assess, site-by-site, and in particular, there are two different companies here, Franz Environmental and SENES Environmental that did the study to identify the scope of liability assessments, including barrels and whatnot.

It is a two-year cleanup, which, in my understanding, only includes removal of asbestos in the buildings, some bridges to provide the ongoing fisheries in those crossings, and removal of some barrels. It is very minimal to the overall studies on the cleanup. My question is: is this department engaging with the federal government for additional work after this coming summer's Phase II clean-up season? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. McNeely. Minister Schumann.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. At a regional level, we are always working with the federal government to promote using regional assets to continue the work that is ongoing. You know, this has been a long, ongoing file with the federal government, and it is a federal process that we are dealing with. We will continue to work with the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Mr. McNeely.

Mr. Chair, on that thought, moving forward, would the Minister consider or has the department considered doing the assessment, how much it would cost in getting the funding from the feds to do the cost on their behalf in collaboration with the Sahtu group as per the land claim chapter? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. McNeely. Minister Schumann.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This has been an ongoing issue any time that I have had a discussion with the people in the Sahtu around the cleanup of this park and the federal procurement rules that are tied to federal process. I am well aware that, you know, the federal government has their process that they follow and their due diligence. They are working closely with SSI on how they can maybe look at changing some of those processes.

We have even had our MP with us at meetings around procurement, how we can change these types of things. At the end of the day, we still have to respect the federal process and what they want to do. We can continue to work with them and engage with them on how we can figure out a way to have this money spent in the Northwest Territories without going to a public RFP. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Mr. McNeely.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It seems that there are ongoing discussions there. I am satisfied with those discussions in hopes that it might materialize with a possible transfer of capital funds from the federal to the territorial government to initiate a continuous cleanup as per the studies that already have been done, knowing the fact that our procurement policies are a little bit more flexible than the federal one. I see it as a win-win situation for both this government and the recipients of the land claim. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. McNeely. Minister Schumann.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, we will continue to work with the federal government. Once we are satisfied that the land is cleaned up, it will be transferred to the GNWT to be the future Doito Territorial Park. In the meantime, I would like to update the House that we will continue working to establish some needed infrastructure along that trail, including the construction of two hiking shelters that are scheduled to be completed this summer. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Mr. McNeely.

Mr. Chair, thank you. Thank the Minister for the reply.

Thank you. Next on the list, we have Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Ingraham Trail, of course, is in the riding of Yellowknife North. I think I would be remiss if I didn't take this opportunity to commend the Minister and his department for the significant efforts and improvements that they have put into the many parks that line the Ingraham Trail, as the Minister referred to earlier: the new loop out at Prelude; there has been a lot of new signage with regard to the parks; we continue to see investments here with regard to the Prelude Lake Park Kitchen Shelter as well as the long overdue Prosperous Lake boat launch. I am rather pleased to see those.

As the Minister is aware, we have had some discussions in the past with regard to opening the parks up for aurora viewing. I know this is a little bit more in the operational context, but we might not have that discussion now long after the aurora season is done. I just want to see if the Minister can share some comments around what the department might be doing with regard to trying to make more space available within our parks for the booming aurora-viewing tourism opportunities. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister Schumann.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The department has been working very close, particularly with our aurora operators, for this winter use of our parks. Those discussions have been going very well. We have been looking at opening up more of our parks along Ingraham Trail for aurora viewing in the wintertime. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you to the Minister for the positive answer. Can he elaborate a little bit more on which parks, in fact, that we are considering opening up for aurora viewing? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister Schumann.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We are looking at opening all of our wayside parks along the Ingraham Trail for aurora viewing operators to use. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Just for the public's interest so that we can know, kind of, what names there are, I have a good idea what those are, but is it possible for the Minister to kind of give us an indication? In my mind, I can think of Yellowknife River, Pontoon day use area, Madeline day use, maybe Cameron River. Can we get some clarification on which ones the Minister is talking about, and are we, in fact, actioning the use of those right now or this coming season, this winter? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister Schumann.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We are going to use Madeline Lake Territorial, Wayside Park, North Arm Territorial, Pontoon Lake, Powder Point. We are also using Prelude, Prosperous, and Yellowknife River. A full-time maintenance person has been hired on for this, plus we are going to be maintaining washrooms and stuff throughout the winter as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank, again, the Minister and the department for that work. I think that is going to be well-appreciated and well-utilized. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister Schumann.

Comment noted. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister Schumann. Any further questions, Mr. Vanthuyne? No. Next, we have Mr. Thompson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, on page 39, it has the NWT-BC border development. Can the Minister advise what the status is? I have seen this in last year's capital, and I am trying to understand what stage it is at and if it is going to be completed this year or if it's not. Thank you, Mr. Chair.