Debates of October 29, 2013 (day 40)

Date
October
29
2013
Session
17th Assembly, 4th Session
Day
40
Speaker
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Hon. Tom Beaulieu, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Blake, Mr. Bouchard, Mr. Bromley, Mr. Dolynny, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Jackie Jacobson, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. Menicoche, Hon. Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Moses, Mr. Nadli, Hon. David Ramsay, Mr. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements

COMMITTEE MOTION 97-17(4): AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 15, DEFEATED

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. There is a motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Miltenberger.

We have been working on this bill for years. We’ve had agreement with committee. Now we have this one motion. I have been in this business long enough to know one word can be important. While we appreciate the intent and will live with the will of the House, our concern is that the issue of the public meetings versus the ability of the groups to have a meeting that may require in camera sessions, others sessions that are tying their hands, we have committed to a public process, transparent process, but getting down to the level of telling them that you are required to have…you are going to meet once a year and it has to be a public meeting is something that, in our mind, given the amount of consultation we’ve done, is something that would require some consultation at this point and we’re not prepared to support the amendment just because this has just been dropped on our desk. We prided ourselves and learned the hard lesson that you have to be able to walk these through. But we are prepared to accept the will of the House. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. To the motion. Mr. Bromley.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just to note that this concern was repeatedly raised with the Minister during a review of this act, the need to develop a truly collaborative process and to provide an opportunity for everybody to hear the same information so that when decisions were made, there was some transparency on why they were made in the way that they’re made, and also to provide a critical opportunity for everybody to have input to all of the decision-makers. As it currently stands, the input would be made to the Minister on issues that would not even be clear, because not all management authorities would be in the Minister’s office and, of course, would be at the discretion of the Minister for whether they be carried forward or not. It is only through a truly collaborative approach and getting together, rubbing shoulders and having coffee, chatting with each other, of course the best of all would be to be out on the land together, as my colleague from the Sahtu had mentioned. That’s where the real good stuff happens. But next best thing would be to have a meeting that’s public. That’s not to say that the management authorities – they are the authorities – could seclude themselves for the actual decision-making, but the discussions would largely be held in public to provide the transparency and openness of the public, again as called for. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. To the motion.

Question.

Question is being called.

---Defeated

Clause 15. Agreed?

---Clause 15 approved

Thank you. Clauses 16 to 25.

---Clause 16 to 25 inclusive approved

Thank you. Clause 26. Mr. Hawkins.