Debates of September 28, 2017 (day 83)

Date
September
28
2017
Session
18th Assembly, 2nd Session
Day
83
Members Present
Hon. Glen Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Blake, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Ms. Green, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. McNeely, Hon. Alfred Moses, Mr. Nadli, Mr. Nakimayak, Mr. O'Reilly, Hon. Wally Schumann, Hon. Louis Sebert, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Vanthuyne
Topics
Statements

Question 908-18(2): Northern Carbon Tax Regime

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Finance. We know that the federal government, through the Pan-Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change, is going to ask the country to implement a carbon pricing scheme of some kind. Our government has signed on to that agreement. I would like to ask the Minister, since public consultation has now come to an end, what is the government's vision for the new carbon tax regime? Are we looking at a tax, or are we looking at a cap and trade? Can the Minister give us an explanation to that effect? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Minister of Finance.

As the Member noted, the consultation period just ended and we are currently reviewing all these results. We are also working with the Government of Canada to better understand the impact of carbon pricing in provinces on cost in the NWT. There is a lot of our material and a lot of our goods come from southern jurisdictions. Once we have all this work done, we will be in a position to make decisions about the approach that the NWT plans on using. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

If one was to take a look at the decision paper, the decision paper honestly guides the reader more towards a carbon tax rather than a cap and trade system. It seems like it would be a little more costly to put in cap and trade. We already have infrastructure in terms of administrative support and what have you on other tax systems. It seems like we might be heading towards a tax rather than a cap and trade system.

The Minister mentioned that we have talked to the federal government and we have asked them to pay attention to our special needs as a highly expensive jurisdiction, but to date, as far as I am aware, there has not been any change in the amounts that are being proposed; $10 per tonne in year one, and up to size 50 in year four. I'm wondering: what can the Minister explain to this House as it relates to this resulting in a major increase to the cost of living? What is the government's intention to reduce those effects?

Mr. Speaker, that was one of the core questions, and we have to determine what any carbon pricing revenue we use in the Northwest Territories, whether we use it in green energy programs, and how much will be used to offset the high cost of living and doing business in the North. We all know how expensive it is in the North, so we have to take all that into some serious consideration as we determine a mechanism going forward.

I appreciate what the Minister has shared with us, but is there any indication at this point as to what the government's position will be to direct the revenues raised by this carbon tax? This government is feeling the effects of it. It is having major effects on our budget. It is arguably one of the biggest impacts that we have as a government going forward in terms of building infrastructure and trying to maintain it. Will we be able to help low income earners, even help middle income earners neutralize their income through a tax adjustment? Can we get some of this out to businesses and homeowners to seek alternative energy sources? Mr. Speaker, is there something the Minister can share with us along those lines?

As I noted before, what we do with any revenues from the carbon pricing will still need to be determined, and this was one of the questions that we consulted with Northerners. We had over, I think over 300 responses to our online survey, and that was one of the questions that we had on there. We had some very good feedback. As I said before, we had just closed the consultation period, so we would like to have a look at a lot of the results because the government's vision for the Northwest Territories is really not a government vision for the Northwest Territories. It is actually a Northwest Territories vision for the Northwest Territories. That is why we want to analyze the results of the survey and see how we can incorporate the thoughts into any plans we have moving forward.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, we look forward to seeing the results, of course, of the survey and the public consultation that has been going on. That will be important information for this government.

Mr. Speaker, the government's of course next step is going to be that they're going to be bringing forward some proposed legislation to this Assembly sometime in the near future. We expect that the proposal will, of course, include some clear articulation and details on the government's plan, so I'm wondering: can the Minister explain maybe what possible further public engagement opportunities will be provided for Northerners to have their say once they see a little bit more detail? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Once an approach is determined, it will be, of course, very critical that we communicate with the public and Members on the reasons for our approach. We all understand that carbon pricing was a federal initiative, where the federal government has actually developed an approach that will be used if a province or territory doesn't implement. That's why it's very important and very critical that we come up with a mechanism that best suits the Northwest Territories, and I believe we're doing the work right now.

We believe in a Northern approach, along with determining where the revenues will be used and how they will be distributed, and again, that goes back to the public engagement survey we just finished and incorporating some of those thoughts into our approach going forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: MR. SPEAKER

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Sahtu.